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So Drones do CAUSE LAG... Interesting..

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#101 - 2014-01-25 01:02:35 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:


This is not true in the slightest bit, like not even close to anything like what actually happened.

Rewriting history while talking to people that were there seems dumb, but coming from you its a non shocker.


I was there. And unlike you, I haven't posted blatant lies in an attempt to defend a horribly overpowered capital blob.

CCP are going to be nerfing your capital hive fleet. Anyone with half a mind could see this coming.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#102 - 2014-01-25 01:03:38 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:

I don't think you know what N+1 is...secondly there are a pile of subcapital doctrines that work against capitals. Ask your Allies in BL to maybe teach you how to use Maelstroms.


Given that there is not a single possible setup for a subcap fleet to kill a carrier due to a lack of firepower vs the capitals massive EHP and capital reps I'd say you have no idea what you are talking about. A Maelstrom fleet cannot alpha carriers.


Sorry sorry my mistake. You can do it with T3 BCs.

[Tornado, alpha]

8x 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II (Republic Fleet EMP L)

3x Tracking Computer II (Optimal Range Script)
2x Sensor Booster II (Scan Resolution Script)

4x Gyrostabilizer II

2x Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Projectile Locus Coordinator I

[Statistics - Mario Putzo]


Capacitor (Stable at 88.68%)

Volley Damage: 9,213.08
DPS: 511.29
42K Optimal
93K Falloff
and thats will like skills @ 3 and 4. (its over 11000K Alpha with all level 5s)

But hey 1000 of these can't possibly alpha a Carrier. After all you only need a post resist Volley of what 600 per ship with 1K dudes.

Moving along.


We'd have to load Tremor and shoot from >180km, otherwise we'd still get gunned down by sentries. We'd also need 800+ Tornadoes.

This is ridiculously unrealistic.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#103 - 2014-01-25 01:10:57 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:


This is not true in the slightest bit, like not even close to anything like what actually happened.

Rewriting history while talking to people that were there seems dumb, but coming from you its a non shocker.


I was there. And unlike you, I haven't posted blatant lies in an attempt to defend a horribly overpowered capital blob.

CCP are going to be nerfing your capital hive fleet. Anyone with half a mind could see this coming.


So what you're saying is that you're not going to post any of the 30 odd videos that came out of 6VDT to back up your claim then, and just instead go nanny nanny boo boo.

Fits you, I'd stick with it.

Andski wrote:


We'd have to load Tremor and shoot from >180km, otherwise we'd still get gunned down by sentries. We'd also need 800+ Tornadoes.

This is ridiculously unrealistic.


800 tornado's is unrealistic for an coalition thats fielded 1000 domis and 1000 mega's on different occasions and at one point and time relied exclusively on Maelstroms.

Got it.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#104 - 2014-01-25 01:14:46 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Andski wrote:
We'd also need 800+ Tornadoes.

This is ridiculously unrealistic.

But 700 dreads is cool. Roll
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#105 - 2014-01-25 01:18:13 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Andski wrote:
[We'd also need 800+ Tornadoes.

This is ridiculously unrealistic.

But 700 dreads is cool. Roll


They wont die to a flight of bombs or explode every volley from any fleet let alone the carrier blob. Nados for alphaing capitals in massive fights like these just cannot work.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#106 - 2014-01-25 01:19:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Grath Telkin
baltec1 wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Andski wrote:
[We'd also need 800+ Tornadoes.

This is ridiculously unrealistic.

But 700 dreads is cool. Roll


They wont die to a flight of bombs or explode every volley from any fleet let alone the carrier blob. Nados for alphaing capitals in massive fights like these just cannot work.



Guys guys it can't possibly work, even though we've never tried it, because its easier to just a bloo bloo bloo on the forums about it.

EDIT: Domi's don't take many more vollies of bombs to kill, so this logic starts at failure, brought to you of course by baltec, knower of literally nothing.

EDIT EDIT: Obviously this means nerf bombers.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Mario Putzo
#107 - 2014-01-25 01:21:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
Andski wrote:


We'd have to load Tremor and shoot from >180km, otherwise we'd still get gunned down by sentries. We'd also need 800+ Tornadoes.

This is ridiculously unrealistic.


What are you even talking about? Its basic math.

The EM Damage alone is doing over 5K So against a max tanked archon running their hardners ahead of time you need 300 or so to break the tank...Just with the EM Damage. You need around 250 Total With all Damage types of REMP accounted for. Against an average fit archon (no Trimarks, not running hardeners but fitted) you need like 100. About 70 if you all have perfect skills.

Also why would you need to be at 180KM? Do Carriers have some kind of extra armor when you are sitting at 40K?
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#108 - 2014-01-25 01:23:13 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Andski wrote:


We'd have to load Tremor and shoot from >180km, otherwise we'd still get gunned down by sentries. We'd also need 800+ Tornadoes.

This is ridiculously unrealistic.


What are you even talking about? Its basic math.

The EM Damage alone is doing over 5K So against a max tanked archon running their hardners ahead of time you need 300 or so to break the tank...Just with the EM Damage. You need around 250 Total With all Damage types of EM accounted for. Against an average fit archon (no Trimarks, not running hardeners but fitted) you need like 100. About 70 if you all have perfect skills.

Also why would you need to be at 180KM? Do Carriers have some kind of extra armor when you are sitting at 40K?


The idea of being at 180k is so that they don't take losses at all, its cute, they want to kill capitals with zero risk or effort simply by virtue of outnumbering their opponent and they seem to think nobody will notice.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#109 - 2014-01-25 01:24:23 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:


So what you're saying is that you're not going to post any of the 30 odd videos that came out of 6VDT to back up your claim then, and just instead go nanny nanny boo boo.

Fits you, I'd stick with it.



Feel free to post some. Meanwhile I will continue to point out that you made an article on the mittani and many posts here stating that a fleet a maelstroms can kill your capital blob despite the fact that the number of ships you gave are mathematically impossible to alpha carriers.
Leigh Akiga
Kuhri Innovations
#110 - 2014-01-25 01:24:48 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Also why would you need to be at 180KM? Do Carriers have some kind of extra armor when you are sitting at 40K?


No they just instantly nuke everything within 200k thanks to imba drone assist. You didnt name it wrecking ball for nothin did you?
Mario Putzo
#111 - 2014-01-25 01:26:27 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
Andski wrote:


We'd have to load Tremor and shoot from >180km, otherwise we'd still get gunned down by sentries. We'd also need 800+ Tornadoes.

This is ridiculously unrealistic.


What are you even talking about? Its basic math.

The EM Damage alone is doing over 5K So against a max tanked archon running their hardners ahead of time you need 300 or so to break the tank...Just with the EM Damage. You need around 250 Total With all Damage types of EM accounted for. Against an average fit archon (no Trimarks, not running hardeners but fitted) you need like 100. About 70 if you all have perfect skills.

Also why would you need to be at 180KM? Do Carriers have some kind of extra armor when you are sitting at 40K?


The idea of being at 180k is so that they don't take losses at all, its cute, they want to kill capitals with zero risk or effort simply by virtue of outnumbering their opponent and they seem to think nobody will notice.


Ahhhh I see coward math.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#112 - 2014-01-25 01:26:43 UTC
Eram Fidard wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Drops 1000 domis on grid and tries to crash node with sentries.

Complains when node doesn't crash after additionally cynoing in hundreds of dreads on grid.

~~The CFC~~


Pre-Loads system with ~500 ships that each have 10 drones (hrrrm, 1000x5 vs. 500x10), launches and recalls fighterbombers and sentries repeatedly.

Gets free turkey shoot while overwhelming force sits in warp tunnel.

~N3PL~

p.s. I didn't mention the thousands of drones in each carrier

Oh the wonders of tinfoil.


Goons still mad they couldn't crash the node?

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#113 - 2014-01-25 01:29:16 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Andski wrote:


We'd have to load Tremor and shoot from >180km, otherwise we'd still get gunned down by sentries. We'd also need 800+ Tornadoes.

This is ridiculously unrealistic.


What are you even talking about? Its basic math.

The EM Damage alone is doing over 5K So against a max tanked archon running their hardners ahead of time you need 300 or so to break the tank...Just with the EM Damage. You need around 250 Total With all Damage types of REMP accounted for. Against an average fit archon (no Trimarks, not running hardeners but fitted) you need like 100. About 70 if you all have perfect skills.

Also why would you need to be at 180KM? Do Carriers have some kind of extra armor when you are sitting at 40K?


Not only are you wildly wrong in how many ships you would need to alpha a carrier, you are failing to see that putting your subcaps in range of the carriers means they will be taking out at least one of your nados every volley with their sentries. You very quickly lose the ability to alpha carriers and it just turns into a slaughter. The number you would need are obscene.
Mario Putzo
#114 - 2014-01-25 01:32:37 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
Andski wrote:


We'd have to load Tremor and shoot from >180km, otherwise we'd still get gunned down by sentries. We'd also need 800+ Tornadoes.

This is ridiculously unrealistic.


What are you even talking about? Its basic math.

The EM Damage alone is doing over 5K So against a max tanked archon running their hardners ahead of time you need 300 or so to break the tank...Just with the EM Damage. You need around 250 Total With all Damage types of REMP accounted for. Against an average fit archon (no Trimarks, not running hardeners but fitted) you need like 100. About 70 if you all have perfect skills.

Also why would you need to be at 180KM? Do Carriers have some kind of extra armor when you are sitting at 40K?


Not only are you wildly wrong in how many ships you would need to alpha a carrier, you are failing to see that putting your subcaps in range of the carriers means they will be taking out at least one of your nados every volley with their sentries. You very quickly lose the ability to alpha carriers and it just turns into a slaughter. The number you would need are obscene.


You should learn math mate. Also to answer your question you would need about 8 less Maels to Alpha a Carrier than Tornados.

How much HP do you think an Archon has?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#115 - 2014-01-25 01:32:52 UTC
"See how many ships you need to alpha a carrier? That's all you'll ever need and you'll have that many ships the entire fight."

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#116 - 2014-01-25 01:33:07 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:


So what you're saying is that you're not going to post any of the 30 odd videos that came out of 6VDT to back up your claim then, and just instead go nanny nanny boo boo.

Fits you, I'd stick with it.



Feel free to post some. Meanwhile I will continue to point out that you made an article on the mittani and many posts here stating that a fleet a maelstroms can kill your capital blob despite the fact that the number of ships you gave are mathematically impossible to alpha carriers.


So you're stating publicly that 250 Maelstroms can't alpha an Archon?


Please say thats what you're saying.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#117 - 2014-01-25 01:36:49 UTC
You just need to alpha one Archon and then you can go home because you've won.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#118 - 2014-01-25 01:37:45 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
The idea of being at 180k is so that they don't take losses at all, its cute, they want to kill capitals with zero risk or effort simply by virtue of outnumbering their opponent and they seem to think nobody will notice.


No, because being any closer means that the nados will be volleyed as fast as the drone trigger can cycle his TP. If we were to compensate for that and sit closer, we'd have to bring in more nados than the node could handle.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#119 - 2014-01-25 01:38:48 UTC
> Blue to half of the supercapitals in the game
> Tells everyone else they want to kill capitals without risk
> Is Grath Telkin

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#120 - 2014-01-25 01:38:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Grath Telkin
Andski wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
The idea of being at 180k is so that they don't take losses at all, its cute, they want to kill capitals with zero risk or effort simply by virtue of outnumbering their opponent and they seem to think nobody will notice.


No, because being any closer means that the nados will be volleyed as fast as the drone trigger can cycle his TP. If we were to compensate for that and sit closer, we'd have to bring in more nados than the node could handle.


Actually your damage would be higher closer so you'd need fewer to alpha, thanks for playing at home.

Andski wrote:
> Blue to half of the supercapitals in the game
> Tells everyone else they want to kill capitals without risk
> Is Grath Telkin


You forgot to add "drops them on every fight in the game daring the other half to come in"

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.