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So Drones do CAUSE LAG... Interesting..

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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#81 - 2014-01-25 00:14:10 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

They dont work.

Why not?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#82 - 2014-01-25 00:14:50 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
Only we wont use what works because we're trying to prove a point - Goons 2014


so we mass a ton of maelstroms, drop them on your slows at 30km, start blapping away

which side's DPS will erode faster: the maelstroms 30km from a pile of sentry carriers, or the sentry carriers

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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#83 - 2014-01-25 00:18:08 UTC
Andski wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
Only we wont use what works because we're trying to prove a point - Goons 2014


so we mass a ton of maelstroms, drop them on your slows at 30km, start blapping away

which side's DPS will erode faster: the maelstroms 30km from a pile of sentry carriers, or the sentry carriers

Is it easier to replace a wrecked maelstrom or a wrecked archon?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#84 - 2014-01-25 00:20:29 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Is it easier to replace a wrecked maelstrom or a wrecked archon?


Both sides have huge caches of replacement capitals, so that's irrelevant.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#85 - 2014-01-25 00:21:51 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

They dont work.

Why not?


Because it would require a bigger fleet than even we can field to pull off. If it was possible we wouldn't be pushing for massed dread fleets.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#86 - 2014-01-25 00:23:32 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

They dont work.

Why not?


Because it would require a bigger fleet than even we can field to pull off. If it was possible we wouldn't be pushing for massed dread fleets.


"Guys you only need (archon EHP/maelstrom alpha) maelstroms it's not like your maelstroms are getting blapped away every 4 seconds" - every clueless EFT warrior

Twitter: @EVEAndski

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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#87 - 2014-01-25 00:23:45 UTC
Andski wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Is it easier to replace a wrecked maelstrom or a wrecked archon?


Both sides have huge caches of replacement capitals, so that's irrelevant.

If you have a huge cache of replacement capitals, you can certainly get a huge cache of replacement maelstroms, making this point:
Andski wrote:
which side's DPS will erode faster

Also irrelevant.

Reship and bridge in more maelstroms.
Mario Putzo
#88 - 2014-01-25 00:24:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
baltec1 wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:

I don't think you know what N+1 is...secondly there are a pile of subcapital doctrines that work against capitals. Ask your Allies in BL to maybe teach you how to use Maelstroms.


Given that there is not a single possible setup for a subcap fleet to kill a carrier due to a lack of firepower vs the capitals massive EHP and capital reps I'd say you have no idea what you are talking about. A Maelstrom fleet cannot alpha carriers.


Sorry sorry my mistake. You can do it with T3 BCs.

[Tornado, alpha]

8x 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II (Republic Fleet EMP L)

3x Tracking Computer II (Optimal Range Script)
2x Sensor Booster II (Scan Resolution Script)

4x Gyrostabilizer II

2x Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Projectile Locus Coordinator I

[Statistics - Mario Putzo]


Capacitor (Stable at 88.68%)

Volley Damage: 9,213.08
DPS: 511.29
42K Optimal
93K Falloff
and thats will like skills @ 3 and 4. (its over 11000K Alpha with all level 5s)

But hey 1000 of these can't possibly alpha a Carrier. After all you only need a post resist Volley of what 600 per ship with 1K dudes.

Moving along.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#89 - 2014-01-25 00:27:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Grath Telkin
baltec1 wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
Andski wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
I don't think you know what N+1 is...secondly there are a pile of subcapital doctrines that work against capitals. Ask your Allies in BL to maybe teach you how to use Maelstroms.


we flew maelstroms for years, since before you started playing, and most of us still have at least one on hand

thank you for your input, random hisec miner


Only we wont use what works because we're trying to prove a point - Goons 2014


They dont work.


Haha, sure they don't

EDIT: Fyi its already been admitted by your side that they do work, but its not cost efficient enough for you guys

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#90 - 2014-01-25 00:28:46 UTC
Andski wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

They dont work.

Why not?


Because it would require a bigger fleet than even we can field to pull off. If it was possible we wouldn't be pushing for massed dread fleets.


"Guys you only need (archon EHP/maelstrom alpha) maelstroms it's not like your maelstroms are getting blapped away every 4 seconds" - every clueless EFT warrior


Says the team who jumped 700 dreads into a 2700 man grid

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#91 - 2014-01-25 00:32:36 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:

Moving along.


Meanwhile the carriers are taking out one of these every 4 seconds. If they are smart they can take out one a second as you only need 40 carriers to alpha that ship.

How long do you think it will take before that nado force loses the ability to alpha carriers?

It will take 1600 megathrons before we start to alpha carriers, any fewer and you cannot take them out. So you tell me, who can field subcap armadas of the size needed to kill the capital blobs?

And this is before we get to the issue of the nodes being unable to support any fleet that is able to counter todays capital blobs.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#92 - 2014-01-25 00:34:18 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:

Says the team who jumped 700 dreads into a 2700 man grid


We jumped a dread fleet into bigger numbers before and did just fine.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#93 - 2014-01-25 00:35:09 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:

Says the team who jumped 700 dreads into a 2700 man grid


We jumped a dread fleet into bigger numbers before and did just fine.


No you didn't, now you're outright lying.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#94 - 2014-01-25 00:36:48 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:

Says the team who jumped 700 dreads into a 2700 man grid


We jumped a dread fleet into bigger numbers before and did just fine.


No you didn't, now you're outright lying.


6VDT. We dumped a dread fleet into the fight towards the end.
Mario Putzo
#95 - 2014-01-25 00:37:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
baltec1 wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:

Moving along.


Meanwhile the carriers are taking out one of these every 4 seconds. If they are smart they can take out one a second as you only need 40 carriers to alpha that ship.

How long do you think it will take before that nado force loses the ability to alpha carriers?

It will take 1600 megathrons before we start to alpha carriers, any fewer and you cannot take them out. So you tell me, who can field subcap armadas of the size needed to kill the capital blobs?

And this is before we get to the issue of the nodes being unable to support any fleet that is able to counter todays capital blobs.



LOL Ok. Keep swinging wildly at air then. (with perfect skills only 70 nados needed to Alpha a well tanked Archon)

baltec1 wrote:

6VDT. We dumped a dread fleet into the fight towards the end.


You mean when the fight was all but won and N3ST was starting to withdraw LOL. Ya we used caps too loot wrecks guys.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#96 - 2014-01-25 00:40:01 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:

Says the team who jumped 700 dreads into a 2700 man grid


We jumped a dread fleet into bigger numbers before and did just fine.


No you didn't, now you're outright lying.


6VDT. We dumped a dread fleet into the fight towards the end.

So you're comparing jumping a dread fleet in at the end of a fight when most of the fighting was done and numbers were on the decline (near the end) and the field you jumped into was mostly friendly to jumping a dread fleet that massively dwarfs the 6VDT dread fleet in size into a hostile grid at the peak of fighting in the system.

And you don't see how one is not like the other and how your original statement is a lie?

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#97 - 2014-01-25 00:48:14 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Grath Telkin wrote:

So you're comparing jumping a dread fleet in at the end of a fight when most of the fighting was done and numbers were on the decline (near the end) and the field you jumped into was mostly friendly to jumping a dread fleet that massively dwarfs the 6VDT dread fleet in size into a hostile grid at the peak of fighting in the system.

And you don't see how one is not like the other and how your original statement is a lie?


Most of the fighting was not done. The dreads landed at the hight of the battle and broke tests back.

Speaking of lies, are you still pushing that 100 maelstroms can beat our carriers line?
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#98 - 2014-01-25 00:50:47 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:

So you're comparing jumping a dread fleet in at the end of a fight when most of the fighting was done and numbers were on the decline (near the end) and the field you jumped into was mostly friendly to jumping a dread fleet that massively dwarfs the 6VDT dread fleet in size into a hostile grid at the peak of fighting in the system.

And you don't see how one is not like the other and how your original statement is a lie?


Most of the fighting was not done. The dreads landed at the hight of the battle and broke tests back.


This is not true in the slightest bit, like not even close to anything like what actually happened.

Rewriting history while talking to people that were there seems dumb, but coming from you its a non shocker.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard
Tactical Narcotics Team
#99 - 2014-01-25 00:51:54 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:

The point is it was jumping massive amounts of players in at the last second that ruined the experience for CFC, not drones. You should plan better next time friend.


Actually,

CCP Veritas wrote:
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Frostys Virpio wrote:
How much does a drone "lost" in space cost in performance?

To someone already on grid, nothin'. They hurt a bit to someone coming on grid, which is why massed container spew on Jita 4-4 is unhappy and we hurt people who do that.


the drones on field had a negative impact on the dreads ability to load grid.

I wonder if scooping blue drones and bombing enemy drones before jumping in reinforcements may have allowed the dreads to load. You will never bomb all the drones because you will lose bubbles, but could at least significantly reduce the amount.

Though that makes people deploy more drones as there are players loading grid, which may end up counter productive.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#100 - 2014-01-25 00:58:12 UTC
Vald Tegor wrote:
You will never bomb all the drones because you will lose bubbles

We bubble ourselves, why would you care about losing bubbles?

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.