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This is partly why this venture may not work. The truth is I pity you flakeys, for the fact that you think its entirely down to me why this may not work, and for the fact that you will never open your mind to a different style of play.

It is also down to the fact that if you're flying anything bigger than a cruiser down here you will 100% get blops'ed or carrier'ed. Players like you have fallen into a certain way of thinking and I think i'm done trying to convince you otherwise, My game involves surviving in very hostile areas of space and devising strategies that will enable me to prosper. This is actually my idea of fun. What would be even more fun is if lots more people adapted to my "under the radar" techniques and lived in a place like stain. Its that simple.

You think its down to diplomacy? You're wrong again. The simple fact is Hub Zero would have lots of people here under different corps and alliances, We tried to get blue standings with some corps from up north and found that they were only prepared to set a limited number of our corps blue, so therefore I would need to play standings games and do nothing while some Hub members got attacked.

Can you explain to me how diplomacy would work in this scenario?

Don't come on my thread thinking you know it all flakey, you seriously don't.

First of all I know he can PvP, I have seen him do it, solo and in gangs, I have seen him lead small gangs very effectively, the fact is that he has not played much over the last three years, that does not define him as not a PvP'r.

The vision is there, however the game has evolved in terms of a number of things, Eve is now made up largely of power gamers and griefers/tear collectors, those looking for an immersive role playing experience are currently dirving or walking around their expensive ships stored immobile in their Star Citizen hangers, in other words they are not playing Eve.

Aaron will not appeal to those that are power gamers, or tear collectors, also the target of bringing high sec people to 0.0 is not going to work, the majority of people doing PvE in hisec are the alts of 0.0 players, those few that are not 0.0 alts are never going to move to 0.0, they can earn more in hisec doing Incursions, or drone boating level 4's. Aaron is a content creator, in regards to the fact that he has a long list of contacts, some old enemies that are now friends and also a long list of people who play this game to get at him, this gives content.

Belt ratting works well in Stain in that you get faction and officer spawns from doing it, Aaron has very good strategies to do this, because most of the people operating in Stain are lazy tards looking to hotdrop, so a couple of people in AF's are not high on their list of targets, also if they do stay then its easy to move to another system as you can crash gates if needed. However most people won't do it, its too difficult, too much mucking around, people focus on ISK per hour and safety, simple as, so that means hisec and large blue blocks.

The reality is that the game environment has changed, become even more stark in terms of being againstg smaller entities or solo players.

Making a noise on the forums is one thing, but he operates under the radar in space, I have not seen anyone come after him since he made these noises on the thread, it is not going to happen.

As for diplomacy, what I saw between the CFC and PL was diplomacy, a simple carve up that was, however for those two major power blocks any entities below them diplomacy does not really exist, its more like a target list of people you can kill with no ramifications, or what you can add to your KB and they have to suck it. I really don't think much of Eve diplomacy in gaming terms, because the reality is that the smaller guys are more interesting as targets rather than someone you want to avoid because it will take you a long time to grind them down, hell if you are a tough target you have a long line of blobs waiting in line to come kill you..., that is the reality of diplomacy in Eve...

In terms of developing relationships with smaller more reasonable groups it is very possible, however there are many entities here that just shoot anything that moves, such as Stain Empire, or like -DD-, this is their space as far as they are concerned and they will shoot you. So what does diplomacy really mean in terms of Eve?

You mean my cyno toon, lol! Does that count?

I do hear you buddy. I know there always seems to be lots of drama following me and yes you are correct I have made mistakes.

I think the Hub Zero concept is good because it is similar to what these big coalitions do but on a smaller scale. You can't deny that this is a true depiction of how things work in eve.

I think the real issue is people and our inability to work as a team, don't get me wrong I realize the odds are stacked against Hub Zero which is why I felt the need to underscore a strong teamwork ethic. The people of high sec are relaxed in a deep slumber in their comfort zones and feel there is no need to branch out.

This attempt was enjoyable and it was great to work with the handful of people that did come down. I don't think this is the end of Hub Zero. I will be back and things will be different. I'm most probably going to get myself off to the recruitment channel and build a corp, at least this way future attempts of Hub Zero will have a dedicated security force.

Anyone care to speculate with me as to why this hasn't been deleted/moved to recruitment forum yet?

Because it is far too entertaining to read.

I don't have to speculate, I access options and then decide.
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That's the spirit.

I know someone who used to get dropped into invaded countries to teach locals how to resist. From him I learned that if you can get an enemy to field expensive weaponry - with expensive logistics - for targets that are cheap and inconsequential, you already win. A main battle tank using more fuel than the cost of the technical (pickup truck in most cases) that it was sent after has already lost the engagement.

Guerilla warfare, part of what Rubicon is all about, is "anti-profitable". What I mean by that is, the people who may want to come after you either have to switch out from their highsec mission/incursion alt or attempt to hunt you and run the ISK-alt. Either way, they already lose because their efficiency in blitzing highsec is reduced (unless you have a full blown autistic savant) or they are not on their highsec alt at all.

if you approach things on the "dollar not spend is 2 dollars saved" attitude, where you didn't spend a dollar and still have the dollar, equaling 2 dollars (so were looking at both sides of the 0 here, I didn't spend it, and I'm not down a dollar, and still have the dollar makes it +1), then someone who is capable of making 30 million ISK in an hour at their given skill level who hunts down a ship worth 30 million ISK has in fact lost 60 million ISK - 30 million they could have had is gone, and after the fact they don't have it, down 30 million.


And if they fail to get their quarry, it would hurt even more, especially if they are all about their killboard over ISK. So they don't have 30 million ISK destroyed on their KB, and are down 30 million personally.

All because they had to come out and hunt you. And that's what I mean by "anti-profitable".

Many times I see people in nullsec quip "well, just form up a team and take out the gate camp blah blah blah" but the game is sold on ISK as a winning measure, so it's anti-profitable to go and deal with people who just want to sit on gates and kill everything the moves. Should I go and deal with someone seeking meta jollies (basically baby-sitting) just to try and make them stop, while they enjoy the attention, or go and make some ISK or LP or do something that is actually enjoyable? Not to say that busting a gate camp is not enjoyable - it is when it's the goal. I giggle like Loreena Bobbit in a sausage factory when I drop bombs on gate camps.

But for a lot of people, the "name of the game" is all about piling up ISK and/or piling up green on their KB. So guerilla actions in nullsec are going to weed out the bears who like easy kills from the true sportsmen. When hunting in goon space, there were plenty of bears to prey upon, but eventually come some sharp players with the right tools and they always deliver good PVP. They are not off in highsec ISK-snatching or camping a gate somewhere to boost their stats. Someone is hunting in their backyard and they respond to that.

The upside to what you imply is that nullsec can, if or when you get lucky, yield some very good ISK for small scale operations. I don't understand why people are so compelled to have a highsec mission/incursion alt. Do they have to fly nothing but tengus or faction in nullsec? Is it the "stupid ship loss" tactics of blob fleets? I have seen smack on local actually along the lines of "BLOPS or GTFO". I'm forced at times to agree with some of the goon doctrines regarding their dislike of the "snobbery of nullsec", requiring players to fly very expensive ships, and then leave them on their own in regards to replacing and equipping said ships AFTER their FCs send them into a meat grinder.

Yeah I get that response when I tell people how to grief nullsec.