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CCP contradicts itself with MTU mechanic

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Mr Blah Blahson
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-01-24 19:23:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Blah Blahson
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Container_and_wreck_ownership

Quote:
Cargo containers and wrecks are considered valid property just like drones and ships. If you damage either, you are initiating aggression on its owner. If you are not in their corporation, or otherwise allowed to legally engage, then you should be ready for a security hit and Concord intervention.


MTU's:
- Can only be accessed by the person who deployed it
- Can only be scooped by the person who deployed it
- When destroyed shows a loss against the person who deployed it
- When attacked, the deployers drones automatically attack when set to aggressive. "Aggressive" drones only attack entities that initiate aggression on it's owner.

Therefore MTU's are clearly property (owned) by the person who deployed it.
Therefore CONCORD should intervene when an MTU is attacked, as you are initiating aggression on it's owner.

Fix please CCP thanks.
Billy McCandless
Zacharia Explorations Group
#2 - 2014-01-24 19:24:47 UTC
Mr Blah Blahson wrote:
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Container_and_wreck_ownership

Quote:
Cargo containers and wrecks are considered valid property just like drones and ships. If you damage either, you are initiating aggression on its owner. If you are not in their corporation, or otherwise allowed to legally engage, then you should be ready for a security hit and Concord intervention.


MTU's:
- Can only be accessed by the person who deployed it
- Can only be scooped by the person who deployed it
- When destroyed shows a loss against the person who deployed it

Therefore MTU's are clearly property (owned) by the person deploying it.
Therefore CONCORD should intervene when an MTU is attacked, as you are initiating aggression on it's owner.

Fix please CCP thanks.


Yes please fix it so I can scoop them like drones and salvage them like wrecks free from any counteraction by their owners kthanxbai

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Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-01-24 19:32:24 UTC
Better Living Through Mobile Structures

Attacking Mobile Structures is only punished with a suspect flag, even in high security space
Paranoid Loyd
#4 - 2014-01-24 19:36:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
MTU is not a container or a wreck.

CCP Fozzie wrote:
Attacking Mobile Structures is only punished with a suspect flag, even in high security space

The flipside of mobile structures being light, inexpensive and available to all is that they also need to be easily attacked. When a pilot shoots any of these four mobile structures, the most severe penalty they will ever receive is a crimewatch suspect flag, making them free targets for all other players for 15 minutes. CONCORD will never retaliate against a player for shooting these structures, and shooting them will never result in a security status loss. This means that Mobile Structures must be defended either by active pilots or by deploying away from the beaten path. The Mobile Depot does benefit from a special version of the reinforcement mechanic that allows a regularly active player to keep their Depot alive; more on that later.

Destroying any mobile structure will always provide a killmail and there is a chance of loot dropping from any mobile structure that has a cargo bay.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Erufen Rito
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2014-01-24 19:39:11 UTC
2/10 stealth make hisec safer thread.

This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165
Joshu Mumon
Doomheim
#6 - 2014-01-24 19:44:01 UTC
Don't take away my hobby.

Also, that wiki has a lot of out of date articles. I would not consider it authoritative source of CCP's policies.
Cheng Musana
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2014-01-24 20:06:31 UTC
Oh noes somebody is shoting my looting bot. Please concord protect my 5 million ISK asset so i can continue to AFK loot my mission wrecks.
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-01-24 20:09:25 UTC
You can steal wrecks and cans without CONCODORKEN. You can shoot MTU's without CONCODORKEN. Like wrecks and cans, you can shoot anybody who shoots your MTU.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#9 - 2014-01-24 20:11:34 UTC
Mr Blah Blahson wrote:

Therefore CONCORD should intervene when an MTU is attacked, as you are initiating aggression on it's owner.


These tears, these oh so sweet carebear tears! The rules can change sometimes.


I am altering our arrangement, pray I don't alter it any further...
psycho freak
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2014-01-24 20:17:40 UTC
Show me on the killbord were the bad man touched you

my spelling sux brb find phone number for someone who gives a fu*k

nop cant find it
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#11 - 2014-01-24 20:37:17 UTC
i agree, attacking MTU should not count as aggression.

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kes88
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-01-24 20:44:44 UTC
Not being funny, but if you don't like it, don't use it?
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#13 - 2014-01-24 22:33:30 UTC
I you do not feel comfortable with a current game mechanic, please feel free to write a serious, well worded proposal for changing aforementioned game mechanic and post it in the Features & Ideas Discussion part of the forum.

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