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Batelle Federal Navy Academy Likes received: 2,629	#21 - 2014-01-19 03:24:40 UTC Jav ham or precision hml tengu with rigors, mwd. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!" Never forget.

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Sid Crash Likes received: 140	#22 - 2014-01-19 11:04:06 UTC Batelle wrote: Jav ham or precision hml tengu with rigors, mwd. A Tengu with a kinetic bonus against Sansha makes no sense.

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Nightmare Jettnett Black friday20 Likes received: 1	#23 - 2014-01-19 12:31:49 UTC Maxor Swift wrote: i like my HAMs cerb for lvl 3 and plexes 1600 ms 600 dps at 45 kms (with t1 ammo) 1000+ specific tank (ASB) and all cap stable put 1 range and 1 rigor and your good to go. Do you have a specific fit that is tried and tested? Thanks

Sid Crash

Likes received: 140

#24 - 2014-01-19 12:52:00 UTC

Nightmare Jettnett wrote:

Maxor Swift wrote:

i like my HAMs cerb for lvl 3 and plexes 1600 ms 600 dps at 45 kms (with t1 ammo) 1000+ specific tank (ASB) and all cap stable put 1 range and 1 rigor and your good to go.

Do you have a specific fit that is tried and tested?

Thanks

It's a dumb fit because it does the wrong damage type and uses ASB for pve which is silly. If you do missions in Amarr space either use lasers, projectiles or sentries, missile ships that don't get a specific damage type bonus also work fine, ones that do while not being EM will suck.

Maxor Swift

Science and Trade Institute

Caldari State

Likes received: 24

#25 - 2014-01-19 18:45:54 UTC | Edited by: Maxor Swift

Nightmare Jettnett wrote:

Maxor Swift wrote:

i like my HAMs cerb for lvl 3 and plexes 1600 ms 600 dps at 45 kms (with t1 ammo) 1000+ specific tank (ASB) and all cap stable put 1 range and 1 rigor and your good to go.

Do you have a specific fit that is tried and tested?

Thanks

This is what i use everyday in caldari space for lvl 3s change shields/ammo flavour as needed.

I have 1 3% power implant and 1 range implant.
high slots

tech 2 HAMs

mid slots

10 mn expermential MWd
gist B type knetic (these are quite cheap)
gist B type thermic (ditto these)
Large shield extender 2
Large ASB

low slots
3 x BCS tech 2s
1 x BCS faction

riggs
1 x rocket fuel cache tech 1
1 x riggor tech 1 (tech 2 if you can afford it)

Yes this ship does have a kentic bonus but ive never found it made a massive difference its only lvl 3s after all.
Also i side note i did gone berserk last night and purposely shot ALL the triggers i only used 2 ASB charges so its fine for lvl3s(i would not use it for lvl 4 s though).

EDIT just remembered i have CA1s and CA2 implants might change the power/grid values a little if so just get a less demanding BCS.

"What you talking about willis"

stoicfaux

Likes received: 6,283

#26 - 2014-01-19 21:40:42 UTC | Edited by: stoicfaux

Zhilia Mann wrote:

Token tanked sentry Ishtar. I'm fairly convinced by this thread that it's currently the correct answer.

That was before the Rubicon changes. Now that warp speed is relevant, I'm in the process of testing this fit for level 3 blitzing:

5xGarde: 800 DPS out to 72+12km (Use Bouncers against Angels.)
5xWarden/Bouncer/Curator: for ~75km to 100km.
5xOgres/Berserkers against short range targets.
Warp Speed: 5.16 AU/s

You can perma-run the MARII. MWD in bursts as needed.

Fitting is tight in regards to CPU. With Astronautic Rigging at IV, I have 0.28 CPU remaining...

[Ishtar, ishtar - level 3 - warp]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Medium Armor Repairer II

Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Eutectic Capacitor Charge Array
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I

Drone Link Augmentor I
Auto Targeting System I
Auto Targeting System I
Gatling Afocal Maser I, Multifrequency S

Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II

Garde II x5
Warden II x5
Ogre II x5

Also, this fit should work well in spite of the upcoming Rubicon 1.1 Omni nerf, meaning, Gardes are down to 58km + 23km falloff, everything else is ~100km optimal, plus plenty of cap to perma-run the MAR and Omnis.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.


Sid Crash Likes received: 140	#27 - 2014-01-19 23:42:40 UTC \| Edited by: Sid Crash Warp speed never was relevant and it still isn't relevant. All that happened is that suddenly people go "oh ****, there's warp speed rigs", ones they never thought of before.

stoicfaux

Likes received: 6,283

#28 - 2014-01-20 00:08:54 UTC

Sid Crash wrote:

Warp speed never was relevant and it still isn't relevant. All that happened is that suddenly people go "oh ****, there's warp speed rigs", ones they never thought of before.

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahhahaahahahhaahahaha!

/points_at_you_and_falls_down_laughing

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Sid Crash

Likes received: 140

#29 - 2014-01-20 00:24:50 UTC | Edited by: Sid Crash

stoicfaux wrote:

Sid Crash wrote:

Warp speed never was relevant and it still isn't relevant. All that happened is that suddenly people go "oh ****, there's warp speed rigs", ones they never thought of before.

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahhahaahahahhaahahaha!

/points_at_you_and_falls_down_laughing

OTHER ships have changed, yes, but T2 cruisers are still roughly the same -/+ a few percent depending on warp distance. Go on, look it up.

- edit -

Reading back my initial post I agree that looks silly, slip of the mind to not specifically mention T2 cruisers, as we were talking about them. still, T2 cruisers are still pretty much the same and even if they weren't it's still not important.

stoicfaux

Likes received: 6,283

#30 - 2014-01-20 00:44:46 UTC

Sid Crash wrote:

stoicfaux wrote:

Sid Crash wrote:

Warp speed never was relevant and it still isn't relevant. All that happened is that suddenly people go "oh ****, there's warp speed rigs", ones they never thought of before.

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahhahaahahahhaahahaha!

/points_at_you_and_falls_down_laughing

OTHER ships have changed, yes, but T2 cruisers are still roughly the same -/+ a few percent depending on warp distance. Go on, look it up.

http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/65418/1/numbers_table.png

Ishtar with 2xWarps Speed II rigs + 10% Warp Speed Implant puts you at 5.9 AU/s, i.e. blockade runner speeds. In this thread, pre-warp speed changes, I noticed that:
Even in a 4-10AU system with a 10-20AU neighboring system, I spent 44% of my time traveling and 56% of my time in the mission.

With 5.9 AU/s, you're potentially knocking a third off your travel time[1], which would effectively increase your asset generation per hour by 30%.

Anyway I'm still testing with just 5.2 AU/s, but the warp speed rigs do appear to make a difference.

[1] It's not 50% due to the ten second undock timer, jump gates, acceleration, and docking times.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Sid Crash

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#31 - 2014-01-20 00:54:09 UTC | Edited by: Sid Crash

Yes you save a few seconds on warping, but generally it still doesn't make sense. If you fight serpentis for instance you're better off using a low or mid slot for a sensor booster/sig amp and then you'll probably need the rigs to make up for losing that slot. Same with Guristas and ECCM.

And again, nothing really changed because you could use those warp rigs on Ishtars before the change and while it shifted a bit people never did it back then, and now of a sudden it's somehow this super important stat, out of nothing.


Nightmare Jettnett Black friday20 Likes received: 1	#32 - 2014-01-20 06:49:20 UTC 1 Sheesh, I only asked for some ship ideas, these last few posts are way above my pay scale lol.

You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack 3,946
Riot Girl You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack Likes received: 3,946	#33 - 2014-01-20 07:28:30 UTC I'd say rail Brutix is best because of damage application, tank and faster cycle times on rails, which is good for popping frigs fast. Oh god.

The Djego

Hellequin Inc.

Likes received: 266

#34 - 2014-01-20 19:55:54 UTC | Edited by: The Djego

I always liked the Navy Omen/Zealot/Legion for it, since they can get rid of frigs fairly fast, have good engagement ranges and nice dps. With the Legion and a bit of isk in heat sinks and implants you can break 900 dps at 30km+ optimal. While the Ishtar is also nice, it requires a lot of micro management with the drones against close stuff, where the laser hulls just required a bit of manual piloting(and a web in some cases to clear the field very quick). However given warp speeds the Ishtar might come out on top with the fitting posted stoicfaux(still out of personal preference I would probably stick with a Legion).

[Legion, beam me up]
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Corpii B-Type Small Armor Repairer

Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M

Medium Energy Burst Aerator II
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Improve discharge rigging: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=246166&find=unread

Lloyd Roses

Artificial Memories

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#35 - 2014-01-21 15:46:08 UTC

The Djego wrote:

Are you sure a 900m ship is a good choie for L3s? Especially if you can blitz them comparably well in things like a pvp-tornado (Though I switched the point for a specific hardener)


Sid Crash Likes received: 140	#36 - 2014-01-21 17:18:12 UTC 1 No, it's a ******** dumb fit like most of his fits. No drones + heavy beams + missions with lots of frigates = terrible.

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Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley New Eden Tech Support Likes received: 428	#37 - 2014-01-24 16:21:36 UTC Ishkur for maximum fun Thank me later :D

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Sabriz Adoudel Move along there is nothing here Likes received: 6,056	#38 - 2014-01-29 01:16:01 UTC Highsec: Ishtar with at least 3 DDA2s, at least one SeBo (carrying both scripts but usually using scanres) and some mix of Omnis and Webs in other mids with a MWD, and some mix of railguns and drone range increasing high slots. Lowsec: Ishtar with a PVP fit. I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

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