Linux

I have almost always been a Window’s user, or a DOS user. Dos was Microsoft’s only stable system with security built in. All others follows under the joke "Microsoft Works." I tried the first version of Red Hat and it was nice for the money (free), but it would take hours to configure your computer and load interfaces. Then after hours and sometimes days of hard work an unstable bug may crash you. This happened several times in the first month for me and each time I lost several hours of work. I also lost several hours to reconfiguring and getting back to the more stable configuration a day or two before I updated. This left me with the belief that a paid for system was worth the time and money since you don’t lost time configuring and lost work. Even then Red Hat was great for old computers and the tools for hard drives, system operation and what not was great.

Now you have a stable OS, that is equal or better than Mac or Microsoft and it is the Official OS for the Chinese government. The development tools is unequal, because most propriety software has some offerings, and the amount of free tools and their functionality with shared libraries is great. Several programmers at CCP must be using it.

For example everyone is using Python (CCP included) now, there are a few great free library systems on (Mac/Micro) but most offer the libraries and functionality at a great cost and then one can find the same library as a open source in the Linux environment. Linux is quickly outpacing other OS as the OS to develop software because of its stability, functionality and cost. Now in my time in eve it seems there are a great number of military persons (other big user of Linux) and Engineers or Software people.

So basically my point is CCP would benefit by supporting Linux Officially by embracing the exponential massive growth with python programming community in the Linux universe for their employees (I bet a lot already do). With Ubuntu python IDE is built in, and installed as standard. The potential of all Chinese government computers running their software and subscripting or plexing their accounts, plus if the government is switching how many ohter users will too. CCP made a huge mistake with station walking (bitter vets mention it a lot) and lost a player base they have not recovered from, the low end computers. Ubuntu and its derivatives and other Linux OS's are very stable and low on resources required so leaving more room for internet space ships and their pixels. Ubuntu has been named the most secure OS http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-12-04-Is-More-Secure-Than-Windows-8-and-Mac-OS-X-Says-UK-Goverment-416016.shtml. With a lot of concern regarding US spying practices CCP can only expand its player base by embracing Linux.

Or at least Ubuntu.

Well, I did just switch over and I was assuming that on these forums this is a quarterly topic. Hope my late night banter was readable. One thing I think that may push them back into the fold is Ubuntu being such a secure OS and this being declared by the UK government. This is a big deal, because a lot of high level politicians will talk and the UK may recant this statement at some time and say something. Americans and British citizens both fought in Iraq so to me this is part of the fall out regarding NSA. Lobbyists in both America and UK will push for this statement to be removed.

Rand() % X, where x is the range, is only pseudo random leaving the lower numbers more likely to show up. I was born in 1981 and never did use DOS 1.0 but my uncles and family who did and code, have a drive with all the old DOS on it so they can access old file libraries with it. These libraries came with real encryption and real random number generation. They were removed. (so I am told) The difference then was Microsoft was a essentially a division of IBM and both would not defy NSA demands to remove it from later OS's. Ubuntu will always be more secure because there is a worldwide group of programmers who want to build what they want, and if NSA gets one system, then they will just leave and program another. Linux got its rebirth after NSA won their legal battles in the early 1990's and they just had enough kernel to operate an OS. A shame Obama is supported spying he ran against in his first campaign.

MS was never a division of IBM. IBM, against normal policy, allowed MS to keep the rights to MSDOS. The rest is shoddy quality of release history lol.

Cool, I just switched over, from windows and the sudo commands in the terminal is so much better than I remember from before. I don't think I am using either another Windows or Mac OS again. I really like sudo apt-get install. I am very impressed by what the community has made.

I bought more Ram for my new build instead of Windows 7. So if I am going to play eve, it is all on Ubuntu or not at all.

But I do think the NSA spying and Chinese Government will change the amount of users who want to use Eve on Linux. The former because of its open doors installed on a large range of programs and the latter because China is using Ubuntu to develop its own secure OS.

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Basically I need to use a few different languages and more and more python is the place to put all the modules once they are coded. I was using Enthought Canopy: but they are miss leading. A large amount of their data bases are from Linux and open source but they have a few programs that they did code and did charge for windows but I am not sure if they just re-engineered them to make them more stable on windows, but basically because it is a windows based system and not an open source I need to make a cluster or a server group or just buy one bad mama jama tower and run it in Linux for free with shared libraries.

Either way windows and their system of operation just costs too much on system resources and liquid capital. There are more libraries available for coding in Linux then any other OS. When I did freelance web/graphic design in the late nineties (high school and college), it just came down to I needed a Mac because Mac's were the best for graphics. Parents bought it for me, because I could make money and I needed a rig for school. Man I wish they still bought my computers.

If you want to make programs Linux is where it is at right now.
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It should be pointed out that it works fine on wine because they "kinda" support wine. Sure its not official. But if a version really breaks with wine, its usually a fairly short time before a release fixes it. I doubt that is coincidence.

I have not used windows for 10 years now. If it stopped working on wine, i would need revised my subscription. I know that there are a lot of people who use wine non exclusively to play eve as well. In a recent public fleet it was over 50% that where on linux.

I'm pretty sure CCP probably know the hard numbers. But right now it make sense for them to simply ensure it works with wine. Less work etc.

i'd totally support that motion, if it were one.
I'd even buy that for a reasonable price!

Since:
1. I'm backing up my system (right now) on linux, using PartED, sleak and easy usb backup and recovery solution.
Haven't found a better and reliable solution using MS products as a fallback if the system partition gets fried along with my ssd. wich kinda happened just a few minutes ago :/

2. WinXP support runs out this april.
3 Win7 treats me like a child, dialogs are in plain english. If i'd want my computer talk to me like a normal person, i'd go out and find me some company.
4. 'merican comercial products can't be trusted in the light of recent events. And even on potent hardware, Windows feels sluggish and laggy at times.
Wich is hardly explainable in a time were computers are capable of accurately simulating atombomb tests.
Archaic example but meh.

Honestly I suspect that they will more likely wrap Eve with wine like they did before. Eve is tightly wedded to windows, and it would need a lot of work to replace components with multi-platform alternatives. My big worry is that the devs will decide they must have tessellation or other directx 11 feature. Hopefully wine will support newer versions of directx before the number of windows 98 eve users dries up. On the plus side thing like the humble bundle and steambox are keeping linux gaming in the minds of the suits...

This must be a troll or someone completely ignorant.

DOS + security => NaN

DOS was a *single* application "OS", where the only application running, had ALL permissions. If you are trying to compare this to any modern OS, stop now. Even Windows 3.1 running under the 386 Enhanced Mode was light years ahead in stability over DOS. How do I know this? I wrote some toy programs for DOS* and Windows 3.1 and Windows 95, etc. You can probably ask others familiar with programming environments, as it was at the time, before making mistakes of comparing DOS to anything.

Cheers,
Veldar

* Side note: back when I was trying to optimize one of my programs with liberal usage of assembly, I managed to forget some opcode and somehow managed to essentially write garbage to a few sectors at the beginning of my massive 80MB HD. Needless to say, DOS did not protect my file system from being destroyed

So now, please, get off my lawn!

They have the money to build a statue i think they have enough to work on proper development of a linux and mac client properly.

It's that time of the year again? Oh, my, time flies!