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What is going on with Exploration?!?

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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#21 - 2014-01-24 06:15:52 UTC
The problem with exploration is CCP made it too easy when they removed the rats from data/relic sites, so anyone and everyone is going through Null Sec and Low Sec in their appropriately set up T3s and doing them. That is why you're not finding them, others have found them before you did.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#22 - 2014-01-24 07:24:12 UTC
Malphas Vynneve wrote:
Yeah, i'm starting to think that. I've never gone 15 systems in a row and found nothing. Usually, it's a combined 15 systems from different regions, lol.

But still, something changed after Rubicon. Whether that change is less exploration sites or more explorers. Methinks explo ganking might be the way to go now, lol. Cloak up at a data or relic site and gank anyone that comes by, then steal their loot, lol.



Well that's the spirit.

Some days it's sites galor, even when moving ships in the Forge regions, other days, nothing.


Yeah they made exploration very easy - you simply have to wander more. That you can traverse so many systems shows you are not hugging a system or station, which is good.

As for attacking exploration - well - first don't attack my ship! (shakes fist) but yeah, exploration is so beared up now it's incredible. Back in the day exploration sites were also combat sites. Let me tell you. I had to fight some hard-hitting rats up hill, both ways. In 3 feet of snow too.

But it was nothing that a nullified T3 could not handle - except things changed a bit. The sites are easy easy now, no need to kill the rats you see, so it's all the more feasible to use a nullified T2 or even an intie (if you rig it for hacking even than it's iffy for the job) . But it's the inties you see. Belt ratting is bad news - even combat sites - intie swarms you see. So exploration is now the most risk free of the activities. So it's not like all of a sudden everybody wants to explore, it's just the with the intie changes and changes to exploration sites, it's now the least risky activity mainly because you can do them faster than other PVe content, make the loot, run off, and that's that.

Like a wormhole to nullsec when I had my Astero. That was a fine ship let me tell you. Found a rare highsec to null WH and there was a covert site in there too - hacking even with the Astero and level 5 skills was not a short affair. But as soon as someone showed up, they KNEW how I got there, because the intel channels and gank pipelines never heard of me, so it just HAD to be a wormhole. I reached the wormhole just as 8 core probes were right on top of it. They didn't get the Astero - NPCs did that job a little while later.


So the gist of this is, exploration is now the defacto "carebear activity" of nullsec. It's easier than running 4 of 10s with a Tengu - back before they got blocked from 4 of 10s, you could be in a DED 4 of 10 for around 10 seconds and there's the tengu going straight for the boss. So the same players are out there, carefully ensconced behind the gank pipelines and intel channels.


So, maybe you should hunt the explorers? Well, my Astero won't be on your KB - Guristas did that -but that might have to be your thing. Maybe you should bring a stealth bomber, wait for them to hack the container, nuke them. From orbit even. They won't be going fast, that's for sure. When I drop bombs on gate camps I giggle like Loreena Bobbit in a sausage factory. So I'm sure a good time will be had by all.

(if seeing you in local does not have them running and hiding - these are bears after all).

Good luck.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Victor Andall
#23 - 2014-01-24 07:42:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Victor Andall
I Love Boobies wrote:
The problem with exploration is CCP made it too easy when they removed the rats from data/relic sites, so anyone and everyone is going through Null Sec and Low Sec in their appropriately set up T3s and doing them. That is why you're not finding them, others have found them before you did.


Yes, "everyone" is going in Strategic Cruisers. Because that's what a several hundred million piece of hardware is good for. Data and Relic sites.

I do LowSec in an Imicus.

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Sagara Shouhey
New Eden Department of Industrial Hygiene
#24 - 2014-01-24 07:43:06 UTC
if you looking for data and|or relic devoid is your choise, i scan five or six systems and found 10 or 11 data+relic
so no problem here
Shvak
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2014-01-24 07:56:44 UTC
I know it might sound stupid and you most likely do it anyway but hit "show" on your scan hud. Sometime the sites do not refresh into the hud properly. Just a thought.
That said there are a lot less sites to find in nullsec especially. Does not mean they are not there but I am sure plex spawns were nerfed when rubicon was released. Also the amount of ammo and tags have increased vs good loot. With the ESS giving an obvious nerf in Rubicon 1.1 to bounties to tray and combat inflation one is guessing that a system where there is no hard data (plex spawns) would have been a first option at nerfing to reduce income
Berant
Aqua Regia
#26 - 2014-01-24 09:24:58 UTC
Shvak wrote:
I know it might sound stupid and you most likely do it anyway but hit "show" on your scan hud. Sometime the sites do not refresh into the hud properly. Just a thought.
That said there are a lot less sites to find in nullsec especially. Does not mean they are not there but I am sure plex spawns were nerfed when rubicon was released. Also the amount of ammo and tags have increased vs good loot. With the ESS giving an obvious nerf in Rubicon 1.1 to bounties to tray and combat inflation one is guessing that a system where there is no hard data (plex spawns) would have been a first option at nerfing to reduce income


This.

Also, if you're anything like me, and I hope for your sake you're not, I spent a dozen systems looking for Data Sites in LowSec until I realised I had the probe scan window set to Ships. Wasn't my finest hour...
Shvak
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#27 - 2014-01-24 09:32:27 UTC
Berant wrote:
Shvak wrote:
I know it might sound stupid and you most likely do it anyway but hit "show" on your scan hud. Sometime the sites do not refresh into the hud properly. Just a thought.
That said there are a lot less sites to find in nullsec especially. Does not mean they are not there but I am sure plex spawns were nerfed when rubicon was released. Also the amount of ammo and tags have increased vs good loot. With the ESS giving an obvious nerf in Rubicon 1.1 to bounties to tray and combat inflation one is guessing that a system where there is no hard data (plex spawns) would have been a first option at nerfing to reduce income


This.

Also, if you're anything like me, and I hope for your sake you're not, I spent a dozen systems looking for Data Sites in LowSec until I realised I had the probe scan window set to Ships. Wasn't my finest hour...

Got the T-Shirt for that as well Lol
Ryder 'ook
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2014-01-24 09:39:25 UTC
I'm very glad I'm not the only one who catches himself blundering about like this!

Props to both of you!

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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#29 - 2014-01-24 09:50:05 UTC
Malphas Vynneve wrote:
Before Rubicon, i could go out and spend 45 minutes and come back with anywhere from 30mil to 70mil. Now i spend 3 hours and don't find anything. Not one single data or relic site. Just combat sites and wormholes. This is really beginning to bug me.



You do realize that other people are out there running sites too, right? The early bird gets the worm, so to speak. If all you find are wormholes and combat sites I would think that either the non random number generator is being unkind to you or someone is getting into those systems and running the sites before you are.

Get out earlier, or change location, or better still - find out who it is and kill them.
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
#30 - 2014-01-24 10:05:13 UTC
Shvak wrote:
Berant wrote:
Shvak wrote:
I know it might sound stupid and you most likely do it anyway but hit "show" on your scan hud. Sometime the sites do not refresh into the hud properly. Just a thought.
That said there are a lot less sites to find in nullsec especially. Does not mean they are not there but I am sure plex spawns were nerfed when rubicon was released. Also the amount of ammo and tags have increased vs good loot. With the ESS giving an obvious nerf in Rubicon 1.1 to bounties to tray and combat inflation one is guessing that a system where there is no hard data (plex spawns) would have been a first option at nerfing to reduce income


This.

Also, if you're anything like me, and I hope for your sake you're not, I spent a dozen systems looking for Data Sites in LowSec until I realised I had the probe scan window set to Ships. Wasn't my finest hour...

Got the T-Shirt for that as well Lol


oh yeah, been there, done that too.

Also when you get a no scan results on the scan window it's worthwhile closing it and reopening it, there seems to be some sort of caching error there.
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#31 - 2014-01-24 12:53:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Sura Sadiva
I don't think the sites spawn rate is changed, neither is the loot.

Problem is the major nerf to exploration done Odissey (not in rubicon).

Basically they lowered the entry level for exploration making it trivial. This mean: more people running sites and more exploration loot on the market.

Before Odissey a good exploration ship was all-in-one pilgrim or T3. Now you can do everything non-combat (in low as in null) in T2 frigate. And they also simplificated all and pumped in the game overpowered faction ships (less skill points) just designed for this. So as profession now is more trivial, less challenging and less profitable.

They sold Odissey to us as a new exploration era, a revamp and bla bla. But the truth is: when you make something trivial or easy is always a nerf.
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2014-01-24 15:37:02 UTC
Malphas Vynneve wrote:
Before Rubicon, i could go out and spend 45 minutes and come back with anywhere from 30mil to 70mil. Now i spend 3 hours and don't find anything. Not one single data or relic site. Just combat sites and wormholes. This is really beginning to bug me.


I mean. The data and relic sites in wormhole space are showing up just fine, no problems there, but in a helios, i'm not even about to think about going for them, what with sleepers. But when i go through 7 nullsec systems, i should find AT LEAST one data or relic site. These aren't like 0.0 nullsec systems either. these are -0.3 to -.06 systems.

I don't know what CCP did to exploration, but they REALLY need to fix it. Exploration used to be my main source of income, now i spend days looking for even one data or relic site. I've already filed some support tickets, but apparently, they were ignored.

Has anyone else been having this issue?
X

can we swop space?
you take my relic sites i take your combat sites.

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Xavier Quo
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2014-01-24 16:10:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Xavier Quo
Noticed similar, but I think it's just the RNG or just being behind someone doing exactly the same thing as you on a similar route

However it is a real shame there is no non-combat exploration content in wormholes.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#34 - 2014-01-24 16:24:55 UTC
Stay out of drone and angel space, in my experience they are bad for hacking.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#35 - 2014-01-24 16:32:34 UTC
I Love Boobies wrote:
The problem with exploration is CCP made it too easy when they removed the rats from data/relic sites, so anyone and everyone is going through Null Sec and Low Sec in their appropriately set up T3s and doing them. That is why you're not finding them, others have found them before you did.

This.

Every once in a while I go on an exploration safari bawls deep into null in a cloaky interdiction-nullified T3 to work relic sites. When I do find them, the juicy blueprint drops are few and far between and the other drops are just 'ok'. Not exciting or compelling enough to do regularly IMHO. Can't imagine doing this in hi or lowsec at all.

The spawns should be more frequent though, and as soon as someone lands on a site a collapse timer should immediately start, as scanning down a site where some tool just worked the good cans and left the crap behind is VERY annoying.

Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2014-01-24 16:40:42 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
I Love Boobies wrote:
The problem with exploration is CCP made it too easy when they removed the rats from data/relic sites, so anyone and everyone is going through Null Sec and Low Sec in their appropriately set up T3s and doing them. That is why you're not finding them, others have found them before you did.

This.

Every once in a while I go on an exploration safari bawls deep into null in a cloaky interdiction-nullified T3 to work relic sites. When I do find them, the juicy blueprint drops are few and far between and the other drops are just 'ok'. Not exciting or compelling enough to do regularly IMHO. Can't imagine doing this in hi or lowsec at all.

The spawns should be more frequent though, and as soon as someone lands on a site a collapse timer should immediately start, as scanning down a site where some tool just worked the good cans and left the crap behind is VERY annoying.


And because it's annoying, it should stay as it is.

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Billy McCandless
Zacharia Explorations Group
#37 - 2014-01-24 16:43:11 UTC
Sura Sadiva wrote:
I don't think the sites spawn rate is changed, neither is the loot.

Problem is the major nerf to exploration done Odissey (not in rubicon).

Basically they lowered the entry level for exploration making it trivial. This mean: more people running sites and more exploration loot on the market.

Before Odissey a good exploration ship was all-in-one pilgrim or T3. Now you can do everything non-combat (in low as in null) in T2 frigate. And they also simplificated all and pumped in the game overpowered faction ships (less skill points) just designed for this. So as profession now is more trivial, less challenging and less profitable.

They sold Odissey to us as a new exploration era, a revamp and bla bla. But the truth is: when you make something trivial or easy is always a nerf.


I and some friends buff them with Stealth Bombers and Bombs

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Blood Viper Johnson
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2014-01-24 20:07:28 UTC
not sure about you,but i gain 1-2 bil per day on relics in paragon and isoteria,drop always cool
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#39 - 2014-01-24 20:13:07 UTC
Blood Viper Johnson wrote:
not sure about you,but i gain 1-2 bil per day on relics in paragon and isoteria,drop always cool

Is this normally shortly after downtime? Not sure how the spawns of relics work but I always seem to get pwnzored on the drops betwixt 16:00-02:00 EvE going through Stain, Period Basis, Parago and Esoteria... :(
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#40 - 2014-01-24 22:09:24 UTC
Basically, exploration has no barrier to entry for any of its sites, even the high end ones. Which means any random dude older than a week can (and probably will) run the sites. This leads to all of the sites being depleted and all of the exploration loot being dirt cheap.
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