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Is roleplaying as a woman a sign of homosexuality?

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#81 - 2014-01-23 23:13:56 UTC
I play as an unremarkable looking female character because a large number of EVE players are straight men, and a large percentage of straight men underestimate and/or ignore women they don't want to sleep with.

It's not until they feel the knife twisting in their back that they realise what a mistake they have made, and by then, they are mine.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#82 - 2014-01-23 23:52:36 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Diamond Zerg wrote:


Isn't it a part of gay culture to try and be more feminine? Or do I totally have the wrong end of the stick?


Why on Earth would a gay man try to act and be feminine at all ?



It's probably due to misconception based on media stereotyping.

To be fair my social experiences with gays of either sex isn't very extensive, I've know maybe a dozen or so that were open about their sexual preferences over the years. None of those men were camp or overly feminine in their actions, behaviour, social interests or dress.

Like most other things in life, the media has a LOT to answer for.
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#83 - 2014-01-23 23:59:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Primary This Rifter
I don't roleplay as a woman. I don't roleplay as any of my characters. I just have both male and female characters. My main is a male character.

Once in a while it's fun to see what you can come up with in the character creator, and I think female characters are more fun to customize.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#84 - 2014-01-24 00:17:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Kitty Bear wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Diamond Zerg wrote:


Isn't it a part of gay culture to try and be more feminine? Or do I totally have the wrong end of the stick?


Why on Earth would a gay man try to act and be feminine at all ?



It's probably due to misconception based on media stereotyping.

To be fair my social experiences with gays of either sex isn't very extensive, I've know maybe a dozen or so that were open about their sexual preferences over the years. None of those men were camp or overly feminine in their actions, behaviour, social interests or dress.

Like most other things in life, the media has a LOT to answer for.


Not for just the "feminized" portrayals (I abhor the gay couple on "Modern Family".... stereotyped performances of a new social concept).

And most gay male characters in films still are pretty much guaranteed to die (Dallas Buyer's Club, even, a film I do support though).

Even James Gandolfini's gay character in "The Mexican" for God's sake.

At least Annette Benning and Julianne Moore lived through the film "The Kids are Alright". But even then, the movie seemed to focus more on Mark Ruffalo's "straight interloper" character. they just seemingly needed an excuse to show one of the couple in bed with a man. Sheesh.

ed: remembered all 3 characters lived though "Priscilla, Queen of the Desert". But then that was an Australian production, not Hollywood.

And the first gay film without a death was probably the original "La Cage aux Folles", which does have both a masculine and feminine character. But again, that was a French production (although very well Hollywood-remade as "The Birdcage").

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#85 - 2014-01-24 01:12:33 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Kitty Bear wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Diamond Zerg wrote:


Isn't it a part of gay culture to try and be more feminine? Or do I totally have the wrong end of the stick?


Why on Earth would a gay man try to act and be feminine at all ?



It's probably due to misconception based on media stereotyping.

To be fair my social experiences with gays of either sex isn't very extensive, I've know maybe a dozen or so that were open about their sexual preferences over the years. None of those men were camp or overly feminine in their actions, behaviour, social interests or dress.

Like most other things in life, the media has a LOT to answer for.


Not for just the "feminized" portrayals (I abhor the gay couple on "Modern Family".... stereotyped performances of a new social concept).

And most gay male characters in films still are pretty much guaranteed to die (Dallas Buyer's Club, even, a film I do support though).

Even James Gandolfini's gay character in "The Mexican" for God's sake.

At least Annette Benning and Julianne Moore lived through the film "The Kids are Alright". But even then, the movie seemed to focus more on Mark Ruffalo's "straight interloper" character. they just seemingly needed an excuse to show one of the couple in bed with a man. Sheesh.

ed: remembered all 3 characters lived though "Priscilla, Queen of the Desert". But then that was an Australian production, not Hollywood.

And the first gay film without a death was probably the original "La Cage aux Folles", which does have both a masculine and feminine character. But again, that was a French production (although very well Hollywood-remade as "The Birdcage").


I never made that connection before! I feel bad for being inept in that regard lol. I loved gandolfini's character in "the Mexican."

even alexander dies at the end!! damn you oliver stone!
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#86 - 2014-01-24 01:41:30 UTC
Years of observation in MMOs from my perspective tells me that gender selection with avatars or toons is inconsequential for most players but almost as inconsequential as gender in RL.

This is why most people who, on hearing of someone in the GLBT community about (by whatever media) DO NOT fall on the floor and writhe in agony because somebody somewhere is "being gay" or something.


So, a radfem or "bible thumper" in RL, people for whom gender issues or gender ID issues are the entire world for them, would be the only ones for which RL gender ID is everything or selection in an MMO (perchance they play one) are really the only ones who care about this.


So as many people in an MMO care about such matter about as many care in RL - which is not that much. I recently had to explain this to an activist who was all torqued up about some journalist outing a trans person. In the circles of activists and journalists, about this topic, it's a big deal to them. I explained that those of us "outside" these circles don't even bother to read about it, especially because of the "why you should care" tone of such articles from either direction - why you should accept it and use that as a progressive whip against those who don't, or why it should bother you and make you wail and gnash your teeth - is rather insulting to the reader. People don't want to be preached at for not caring, or for not caring enough.

I have known women who play male avatars either because they think it fits in the genre of the game they are playing, or because it keeps them from being harassed. Men I find, who run females, tend to be on the opinion that, in third person view, "who wants to look at a dude's butt all day?".

The prime reason for those who do not, is simply because they do not want to "misrepresent" themselves. In Eve I have observed that alts of male players tend to be female, like it's a "Charlie's Angels" thing they have going on.

So I would say that it's not a sign of homosexuality.

Anybody fearing that it is, I dare you to role a opposite gender alt. If you wake up gay the next day, report back to this thread.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#87 - 2014-01-24 01:50:42 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Years of observation in MMOs from my perspective tells me that gender selection with avatars or toons is inconsequential for most players but almost as inconsequential as gender in RL.

This is why most people who, on hearing of someone in the GLBT community about (by whatever media) DO NOT fall on the floor and writhe in agony because somebody somewhere is "being gay" or something.


So, a radfem or "bible thumper" in RL, people for whom gender issues or gender ID issues are the entire world for them, would be the only ones for which RL gender ID is everything or selection in an MMO (perchance they play one) are really the only ones who care about this.


So as many people in an MMO care about such matter about as many care in RL - which is not that much. I recently had to explain this to an activist who was all torqued up about some journalist outing a trans person. In the circles of activists and journalists, about this topic, it's a big deal to them. I explained that those of us "outside" these circles don't even bother to read about it, especially because of the "why you should care" tone of such articles from either direction - why you should accept it and use that as a progressive whip against those who don't, or why it should bother you and make you wail and gnash your teeth - is rather insulting to the reader. People don't want to be preached at for not caring, or for not caring enough.

I have known women who play male avatars either because they think it fits in the genre of the game they are playing, or because it keeps them from being harassed. Men I find, who run females, tend to be on the opinion that, in third person view, "who wants to look at a dude's butt all day?".

The prime reason for those who do not, is simply because they do not want to "misrepresent" themselves. In Eve I have observed that alts of male players tend to be female, like it's a "Charlie's Angels" thing they have going on.

So I would say that it's not a sign of homosexuality.

Anybody fearing that it is, I dare you to role a opposite gender alt. If you wake up gay the next day, report back to this thread.



Haha my mains are female and alts are male. I wonder what that means....

Nothing.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#88 - 2014-01-24 02:06:12 UTC
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:


I never made that connection before! I feel bad for being inept in that regard lol. I loved gandolfini's character in "the Mexican."



It was one of the more accurate performances ever. I know guys exactly like him (without the career though) Lol

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#89 - 2014-01-24 02:07:34 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Years of observation in MMOs from my perspective tells me that gender selection with avatars or toons is inconsequential for most players but almost as inconsequential as gender in RL.

Gender in real life is not consequential, at all. You have to be living under a rock if you really believe that.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#90 - 2014-01-24 02:26:39 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Years of observation in MMOs from my perspective tells me that gender selection with avatars or toons is inconsequential for most players but almost as inconsequential as gender in RL.

Gender in real life is not consequential, at all. You have to be living under a rock if you really believe that.



Oh really ? Which gender gets r*p*d more ??

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#91 - 2014-01-24 02:31:22 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Years of observation in MMOs from my perspective tells me that gender selection with avatars or toons is inconsequential for most players but almost as inconsequential as gender in RL.

Gender in real life is not consequential, at all. You have to be living under a rock if you really believe that.



Oh really ? Which gender gets r*p*d more ??

That's not even what I was referring to.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Cynter DeVries
Spheroidal Projections
#92 - 2014-01-24 03:39:26 UTC
From one of the bazillion other threads: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2981355#post2981355

- Identity
- Propriety
- Masquerade
- Convenience

Cynter's Law of feature suggestion: Thou shalt not suggest NPCs do something players could do instead.

Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#93 - 2014-01-24 07:21:56 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Years of observation in MMOs from my perspective tells me that gender selection with avatars or toons is inconsequential for most players but almost as inconsequential as gender in RL.

Gender in real life is not consequential, at all. You have to be living under a rock if you really believe that.



Oh really ? Which gender gets r*p*d more ??


Just when I thought you wanted to say "random" instead of "inconsequential" you come up with **** like that... Straight

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#94 - 2014-01-24 07:33:34 UTC
Commissar Kate wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Years of observation in MMOs from my perspective tells me that gender selection with avatars or toons is inconsequential for most players but almost as inconsequential as gender in RL.

This is why most people who, on hearing of someone in the GLBT community about (by whatever media) DO NOT fall on the floor and writhe in agony because somebody somewhere is "being gay" or something.


So, a radfem or "bible thumper" in RL, people for whom gender issues or gender ID issues are the entire world for them, would be the only ones for which RL gender ID is everything or selection in an MMO (perchance they play one) are really the only ones who care about this.


So as many people in an MMO care about such matter about as many care in RL - which is not that much. I recently had to explain this to an activist who was all torqued up about some journalist outing a trans person. In the circles of activists and journalists, about this topic, it's a big deal to them. I explained that those of us "outside" these circles don't even bother to read about it, especially because of the "why you should care" tone of such articles from either direction - why you should accept it and use that as a progressive whip against those who don't, or why it should bother you and make you wail and gnash your teeth - is rather insulting to the reader. People don't want to be preached at for not caring, or for not caring enough.

I have known women who play male avatars either because they think it fits in the genre of the game they are playing, or because it keeps them from being harassed. Men I find, who run females, tend to be on the opinion that, in third person view, "who wants to look at a dude's butt all day?".

The prime reason for those who do not, is simply because they do not want to "misrepresent" themselves. In Eve I have observed that alts of male players tend to be female, like it's a "Charlie's Angels" thing they have going on.

So I would say that it's not a sign of homosexuality.

Anybody fearing that it is, I dare you to role a opposite gender alt. If you wake up gay the next day, report back to this thread.



Haha my mains are female and alts are male. I wonder what that means....

Nothing.



It means you like to be dominated. Cool

Or probably nothing.

Sometimes it's like "Dr. Girlfriend Online" around here.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#95 - 2014-01-24 07:52:44 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Years of observation in MMOs from my perspective tells me that gender selection with avatars or toons is inconsequential for most players but almost as inconsequential as gender in RL.

Gender in real life is not consequential, at all. You have to be living under a rock if you really believe that.



Oh really ? Which gender gets r*p*d more ??

That's not even what I was referring to.


James you misunderstand me, Krixtal is working off that misunderstanding. Gender ID or how much that matters to an individual is rather unique from person to person. It's possible that I took the same kind of course that Slade took in college, the one where they study everything about sexuality, habits, all that - I was in one of the last classes because it was shut down due to "controversy". Yeah those where the days before internet.

We concentrate on identity in these discussions a lot, and the people who make their living writing and talking about it kind of forget that out "in the field", what matters to an individual varies. So if I say RL gender ID is not "as consequential" to some people as it is to others, this is based on observation.

For some people it's everything, for others, not so much. If respect for the rights of individuals was first and foremost, rather than collectivistic "group based rights", nobody would have to give a rats ass what anybody thought.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#96 - 2014-01-24 08:30:59 UTC
Have a beard - check
Scraggly hair - check
Ride a Harley - check
Dress grungy - check
Children cry in fear when they see me - check
Drive a 4x4 truck - check
Operate heavy machinery - check
Hunt with big guns - check
Eat red meat - check
Avatar an expression of myself - HA-HA! nooo
Am gay - oh frak no
OP looking for attention - check

How about writers? Do they qualify as having homosexual tendencies? I mean they sometimes develop female character and write about them Shocked

Oh yeah, I write fiction too, double jeopardy I suppose... and I model women in my modelling app (character modeling), rig and animate them, it's so obvious, eh? hehehehe...

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Aineko Macx
#97 - 2014-01-24 10:20:50 UTC
Breaking news: Male players playing Tomb Raider are confirmed homosexuals.

Roll

Seriously tho, if the choice of character gender triggers your insecurities to the point of seriously asking about it, you have some serious issues or haven't yet acquired sufficient maturity.
Lugalbandak
Doomheim
#98 - 2014-01-24 11:04:15 UTC
i have male and female , this one (lugal) looks little as me in rl only less handsome ofcourse , and a made meskia who looks like my wife , little more handsome.

so no im not gay

The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#99 - 2014-01-24 12:50:40 UTC
Omega Sunset wrote:
Have a beard - check
Scraggly hair - check
Ride a Harley - check
Dress grungy - check
Children cry in fear when they see me - check
Drive a 4x4 truck - check
Operate heavy machinery - check
Hunt with big guns - check
Eat red meat - check
Avatar an expression of myself - HA-HA! nooo
Am gay - oh frak no
OP looking for attention - check



You're extra negative emphasis on the bolded point above makes me seriously "wonder".

Why not a simple "nope". Or are you so insecure with yourself, that you have to doubly guarantee that we, the readers, understand that under no circumstance are you to even be mistaken for being "less than a man", ever.

Sorry the thread caused you a one-line freak-out.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#100 - 2014-01-24 13:01:08 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


Sorry the thread caused you a one-line freak-out.
So if we are going to read stuff into posts to try to invent some points into our favor, not a fan of BSG I take it.

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