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Gallente-Caldari Relations, Are They Improving?

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Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#201 - 2014-01-24 05:21:11 UTC
There are few more eloquent or beautiful than the words issued by Scherezad.

Katrina Oniseki
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#202 - 2014-01-24 05:28:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
A lot of people make the mistake of thinking that the Caldari have no spiritualism in them, because we do not build enormous temples, because we do not have complex public rituals and because we do not make a song of our faith for others to hear.

Under the snow, beneath the crust of the ice, however, is a deeply held faith that is rooted on Caldari Prime. The whole world is sacred to us. I could only hope to be as evocative in my descriptions as my lovely friend, Scherezad, but the truth is that perhaps a little too much of that ice clogs my tongue and I'd be ashamed to open my heart so fully, so publicly.

But, yes, this is a matter of Faith. It is a Faith that is as intractable, in it's own way, as the Amarrian Faith, as the Matari Faith.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Jace Sarice
#203 - 2014-01-24 15:54:19 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
A lot of people make the mistake of thinking that the Caldari have no spiritualism in them, because we do not build enormous temples, because we do not have complex public rituals and because we do not make a song of our faith for others to hear.

Under the snow, beneath the crust of the ice, however, is a deeply held faith that is rooted on Caldari Prime. The whole world is sacred to us. I could only hope to be as evocative in my descriptions as my lovely friend, Scherezad, but the truth is that perhaps a little too much of that ice clogs my tongue and I'd be ashamed to open my heart so fully, so publicly.

But, yes, this is a matter of Faith. It is a Faith that is as intractable, in it's own way, as the Amarrian Faith, as the Matari Faith. We are shackled to it as a people and it will either bend us to it's oar or else it will break us all to pieces. But we are difficult to break.


Indeed. The Way is ours and ours alone. Just because we do not publicly speak of it incessantly like others do of their beliefs does not mean it is any less important to us.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#204 - 2014-01-24 15:59:45 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
But, yes, this is a matter of Faith. It is a Faith that is as intractable, in it's own way, as the Amarrian Faith, as the Matari Faith.


More so, maybe. To have faith is to believe something.

Caldari is something you are.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#205 - 2014-01-24 16:04:25 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
But, yes, this is a matter of Faith. It is a Faith that is as intractable, in it's own way, as the Amarrian Faith, as the Matari Faith.


More so, maybe. To have faith is to believe something.

Caldari is something you are.


You may be right. I must be honest and admit that my education has ill-prepared me to discuss these things in terms a jaijii might understand. I sometimes think the creche program was too limited in terms of comparative cultures - everything I've learned of other ways and folks since my graduation as a capsuleer, has served to grant me a new understanding of the ways of my people and the Caldari folk.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Jace Sarice
#206 - 2014-01-24 16:07:18 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
But, yes, this is a matter of Faith. It is a Faith that is as intractable, in it's own way, as the Amarrian Faith, as the Matari Faith.


More so, maybe. To have faith is to believe something.

Caldari is something you are.


This, many times this.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#207 - 2014-01-24 16:12:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Scherezad
Thank you all, you're far too kind.

To touch a little on your replies, maybe I should be more straightforward. Hakatain-haan is right, it's not a religious thing that ties us to the homeworld. It's cultural. Even those of us who think we shouldn't return do so because of how cold winds shaped us - that's the pragmatism of hard winters speaking, not a new spaceborn political ideology.

I should also note that while our cultures' deep link to Caldari is unique in the Cluster, this doesn't make us special. Father, your culture has brought you different things that you feel as deeply as we. I can't fathom the ways that hot sands and broad fields of wheat might have moulded you, but they're just as important.

Think of those things that define the word 'home' to you; consider the ways that the places and travels of your cultures birth still impress themselves on your people. Then you will be closer to understanding how the winds can move between the stars, and why we would sacrifice so much to win our homeworld back.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#208 - 2014-01-24 16:17:17 UTC
And it was won at the cost of scarring it, too. There's a profound metaphor there, for the difficulty of growth and moving on.

Once you have left, Home will never again be quite the same thing as it was.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#209 - 2014-01-24 16:20:08 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
And it was won at the cost of scarring it, too. There's a profound metaphor there, for the difficulty of growth and moving on.

Once you have left, Home will never again be quite the same thing as it was.

That's very true! But I think the mountain cares far less about that than we do. Onwards to other things.
Jace Sarice
#210 - 2014-01-24 16:22:23 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
Thank you all, you're far too kind.

To touch a little on your replies, maybe I should be more straightforward. Hakatain-haan is right, it's not a religious thing that ties us to the homeworld. It's cultural. Even those of us who think we shouldn't return do so because of how cold winds shaped us - that's the pragmatism of hard winters speaking, not a new spaceborn political ideology.

I should also note that while our cultures' deep link to Caldari is unique in the Cluster, this doesn't make us special. Father, your culture has brought you different things that you feel as deeply as we. I can't fathom the ways that hot sands and broad fields of wheat might have moulded you, but they're just as important.

Think of those things that define the word 'home' to you; consider the ways that the places and travels of your cultures birth still impress themselves on your people. Then you will be closer to understanding how the winds can move between the stars, and why we would sacrifice so much to win our homeworld back.


The lack of fathoming you mention is, it seems to me, the most relevant and often forgotten element of these discussions. I make no attempt or claim to truly understand the culture of others, and simply expect the same from others. I do not know what it means to be Amarrian and they do not know what it means to be Caldari. It cannot be done and should not even be attempted.
Jace Sarice
#211 - 2014-01-24 16:23:23 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
And it was won at the cost of scarring it, too. There's a profound metaphor there, for the difficulty of growth and moving on.

Once you have left, Home will never again be quite the same thing as it was.


Some of us see it as a reminder, not as a sign of moving on.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#212 - 2014-01-24 16:24:21 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
And it was won at the cost of scarring it, too. There's a profound metaphor there, for the difficulty of growth and moving on.

Once you have left, Home will never again be quite the same thing as it was.


Even knowing the price I feel better that our connection with Home has been restored.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#213 - 2014-01-24 16:32:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Well, on that vein, it occurs to me to think that - as accurate as everything is that my friend Scherezad has said about the world that shaped us - those generations spent away from Home can't help but have changed us. We've built cities on and orbiting alien worlds, we've listened to the winds of suns and stars. Not cool, red, distant Luminaire, but warm mainline yellows like New Caldari, and fiery blue O-types like Jita.

Jita alone. THE market hub for the whole of civilised space. One naval station orbiting a ruddy brown moon around a quiet gas world in a system awash with the violence of an O-type blue giant. Heat and life, surplus and excess.

Lone madmen in supercarriers have shaken us, lone madmen in MTACs have inspired us, while the quiet and the sane worked in the background, keeping us afloat, reining in our excesses and guiding our energies in productive rather than impulsive ways.

Haajakin Talen -- we returned. And we are not who we were when we left. The word "Caldari" means something different now to what it used. We built all of that with only the idea of Home.

Having returned... I wonder what our new driving goal will be? Where do you go after attaining your life's work?

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Jace Sarice
#214 - 2014-01-24 16:40:49 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Well, on that vein, it occurs to me to think that - as accurate as everything is that my friend Scherezad has said about the world that shaped us - those generations spent away from Home can't help but have changed us. We've built cities on and orbiting alien worlds, we've listened to the winds of suns and stars. Not cool, red, distant Luminaire, but warm mainline yellows like New Caldari, and fiery blue O-types like Jita.

Jita alone. THE market hub for the whole of civilised space. One naval station orbiting a ruddy brown moon around a cinder of a magma planet in a system awash with the violence of an O-type blue giant. Heat and life, surplus and excess.

Lone madmen in supercarriers have shaken us, lone madmen in MTACs have inspired us, while the quiet and the sane worked in the background, keeping us afloat, reining in our excesses and guiding our energies in productive rather than impulsive ways.

Haajakin Talen -- we returned. And we are not who we were when we left. The word "Caldari" means something different now to what it used. We built all of that with only the idea of Home.

Having returned... I wonder what our new driving goal will be? Where do you go after attaining your life's work?


Cold Wind blows far beyond Home. If you feel that you are no longer what it means to be Caldari, I would suggest you spend time examining within yourself for a while and see what has caused this.

And we are not finished.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#215 - 2014-01-24 16:48:36 UTC
Now that's not what I said at all. In fact I don't see how you could possibly have taken that idea from what I wrote.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#216 - 2014-01-24 17:01:38 UTC
Culture changes, and that's not a bad thing. We aren't the Raata, and Heth-haan was wrong to try to revive the Empire in us. Those people are the ghosts that followed us here, they aren't us anymore. Just as we'll be ghosts for our descendants, too. Hopefully we'll give them good guidance.

As for what to do now? The same thing we always have, I think. Prepare for the next winter, and watch the horizon for sails. Perhaps do a little gambling and dancing in the spaces between. You say we've changed, but I don't think we've really changed all that much.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#217 - 2014-01-24 17:09:50 UTC
Thinking back to the words of Msr Sygarius, our situation really hasn't changed much in the last handful of centuries, has it?

The stars are every bit as hostile as the snows ever were.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#218 - 2014-01-24 17:10:09 UTC
Not much, no. But enough to be worth thinking about.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#219 - 2014-01-24 17:36:01 UTC
Too much thinking is bad for you Hakatain-haan - especially when you can't peer-norm your new insights.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#220 - 2014-01-24 17:52:14 UTC
There are worse fates than being lost in thought.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders