EVE General Discussion

That i think comes back to the way the new player tutorials are structured. There is nothing in the tutorials that encourages or attempts to include interaction with other players. The whole tutorial series focuses on individual play and shows how the game can be played without interacting with anybody.

Even adding a simple mission at the end of the tutorials involving joining a player run Corp would be helpful to new players.

This is also where CCP could reward Corps that provide content to the game (rather than gifting out of game third party sites) by having a list of 'good citizen' Corps that would make themselves available for contact as part of those tutorials. I would see many of the Code. Corps as being in this list of good citizens, along with others like Eve-Uni, Brave Newbies, many FW Corps, WH Corps, Corps in the Marmite Collective and other wardeccers, Red Frog, Black Frog and many, many others that would be willing to show new players something different than single player gaming.

There has to be a way to better inform new players on the social and interactive parts of the game that the current tutorial system completely misses.

On the flip side, minerbumping contains many examples of old players being ganked for AFK mining too. They should know better, but it's still the AFK aspect that is the root issue, not mining as such.

Ain't it just. See you when it's right.

James315 has been paid 190 billion ISK (so far) for doing what he does. That doesn't include the money from mining permits. I think that qualifies as a monetary goal.

OP hasnt paid her posting fee


*Bump*

"Mining is the worst thing you can do in EvE" is a normative statement. We need some facts and objective evidence to support that value judgment.

I could just as easily say "Mining is the best thing you can do in EvE." Some facts in support of that value judgment:
a) It is a generally an inobtrusive activity. Miners only rarely annoy other players or lessen their faith in the fundamental goodness of human beings.

b) You can listen to any kind of music while doing it.

c) You can contemplate many esoteric or mundane things while doing it.

d) In my experience, miners hardly ever mention male genitalia. If there is a spectrum of male genitalia mentioning, PvP people tend to be on one extreme end of it, and miners on the other.

e) True, hardcore mining, with calculations and optimizations of yields, utilization of spreadsheets, etc. etc. requires development of a patient, focused, and disciplined mind.

I don't care what these lame players do, really. There are plenty of evasive tactics (including just moving to another system).

What I do know is.........every single person I have explained miner bumping to, or tried to explain, just cannot believe I support a game where a large group of players use this as a mechanic. It's pretty much the biggest joke they have ever heard of in the world of gaming. They like "combat", not knocking things about like a really bad game of football played on no field at all.

And it chased them all away. Nobody has even tried the Trial.

if you get ganked over and over and over again anyone with half a brain will learn they are doing something wrong with mining and that isnt mining itself red contact any known ganker corp alliance alts and you will be safe 95% of the time and put a little bit of tank on because from what ive seen gankers focus on the 0 tank so even 1 invul will be better than hoping some other sucker is your tank

Yeah that seems to be the case. That and griefing veterans in the starter corps, telling them to play isolated. And CCP wonders why they can't keep players ... it's ridiculous.

Joining a player corp doesn't really help. They need to be PROPER. Most OLD players have no clue what new players can do. There's too much isolation. People just do their own stuff, instead of playing together. Or they believe it's "helping a new player" when all they do is replace google. Talking. As if that's helping.

Regarding 'Good citizen player corps' ... well ... tbh ... did you have a look at most of these so called "New Player friendly corps" ? They are crap. Absolute crap. I've tried a few. Nobody gives a crap about new players, they are left alone the same as if they weren't in these corps. Only serve the purpose of replacing google. Not saying all the corps are like that ... but those I've checked. So I taught new players a bit about the self centered assholes who create such corps and then went for the higher uppers and molested them blew their ships up.


Carebearism, isolation, silent local, vets in starter corps and the NPE ... all parts of a cancer slowly killing this game ... and CCP seems to do everything they can do kill it off for good.

He's not a noob.

You're insinuating that the police were involved as a result of someone harassing you. They were not. They were involved as a result of your own irresponsibility.

So what? That's still how the game works. Part of its freedom. It's not the games fault that you have crappy friends. Or maybe you're just not able to properly explain it. Maybe it's your fault they aren't willing to even do a trial, because you fail at properly communicating how the game works?