Ships & Modules

You werent able to defeat 8 people solo? CCP nerf all the **** to make 1 vs 8 fights winnable for 1! :D

2 Vexors can reach the same.

2 Vexors can't tank 30k dps

Why shoulda single player run over a highly organized fleet exactly? They compensateds lack of dedicated logis by having everyone sacrifice a slot.

The most interesting solution to RR i've heard was giving Remote repaires ammunition to make it harder to permarep stuff

(Would probably just result in people bringing more RR on the field but meh)

I personally think logi's are too good at keeping things alive. I think they should be nerfed somewhat (Not a lot, don't crucify me, but a bit) But i think nerfing RR would be more complicated than just fiddling with a couple of stats.

But yea, ammunition for RR would not make ships easier to burn down instantly BUT would make RR's harder to micromanage and make permarepping harder. It might work terribly in practice but i think it might be a cool think to mass test on a test server.

But 8 of them can tank your win-machine.

So the combined tank of 8 ships being over 1k is OP while 1 ship tanking 30k is not?

I solo pvp myself, but I do know that if the enemy fleet is well coordinated and uses good tactics then I have no chance. EVE is one of the few mmos out there where being high level / having much ingame assets, doesn't make you roflstomp anyone who is lower.

And if RR gangs are so damn OP, how come they aren't everywhere? Why do people still buy falcons and guardians?

It's kind of hard to get into any meaniful discussion without full facts. We have an idea of your ship, but no idea what you were up against (other than it being 7-8 cruisers).

That being said, IMO the RR concept is fairly balanced.

Let's look at a few points.

1. A cruiser gang is only going to be fitting a Medium RR. Unbonused they only have a range of about 7000m. So a cruiser gang is losing much of their key strengths, namely cruiser mobility and speed tanking, as they have to stay pretty much huddled together.

2. On average a cruiser can only lock what, 5 targets or so? So in a fleet fight it becomes difficult to have everyone locked up for reps AND on the enemy target(s).

These two points can make an RR gang very micromangement intensive. It becomes easier to pull one out of rep range. They are far more susceptible to target switching (its harder for them to react as quickly as a dedicated logi).

So in general I personally feel the situation is fairly balanced.

Unfortunately in your situation you played directly into all of the strengths of an RR gang and did so in a way that you could not really exploit their weaknesses. You fought on a WH, in a bastion mode marauder. So you weren't going to be able to get them separated by distance. They only had one target which made dealing with locks easier.

In all honesty you may have done better with something like an arty tornado. If you could have gotten range you would have had a chance of separating them as they chased you down. And with the high alpha and instant damage you would have had better luck overwhelming their RR, and disrupting it via target switching.

Be glad that they only brought unbonused RR instead of e.g. two augorors feeding cap to a neut ship.

Unbonused RR already has a lot of disadvantages. No need to nerf it.

Next time you need to counter something you can just ask for advice rather than whining.

Why is there so much wall of text? This is rediculous.

The answer is obvious. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with logistics ships.

Stop trying to gimp cooperative play. I don't like getting blobbed either, but lets face it, there are good reasons in an MMO to reward group behavior. I wish we could duel at the sun 1vs1 all day too.

Also, this is a two fold failure. Wrong forum not a good idea.

Edit: I also re-read your post. So if they had brought 6 combat ships and 2 logis you would have been happy with your loss? I definitely don't understand that. They reduced their DPS by a fair margin so that they could do exactly what they did.