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The Reaper's Grin. An eviction story
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Dmitry Wizard
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#61 - 2014-01-23 07:38:09 UTC
Andrew Jester wrote:
HTIDRaver wrote:
Pretty sure we are all about a Holy Crusade. Since the dawn of wormholers have we not shown our shear hatred toward those of the Null Sec life who think that they have half a right to walk into our territory of Eve and "farm some wh moon goo".. yes that is a direct quote from a Null Sec group once evicted from a C6 wormhole. I realize I may be getting a tad off track here, but our destiny as wormholers is to cleanse those less deserving of that which could be held by someone who is more deserving, is it not? If it is not our purpose as wormholers, hell.. as superior beings of this game, to eradicate the lesser Farmers and Null Seccers from our Promise Lands, gifted to us via the graces of Bob Himself, then what has this even been all about?

If a group can not even honor fight and throw away a few T1 Bc's or Cruisers.. then what right do they have to be in that wormhole? I am not saying that I have a right to decide these things..I am simply asking you all.. what right do they have to waste space that PvPing entities could be utilizing?


This sounds like some Westboro baptist ****.

Also, there's no shortage of C6 holes for PvP entities...



I dont know if you know this jester.... but not every empty c6 is the one someone wants..... A C6 CV- C3 with only 17 moons.... good find.

"Wormhole corps are like a bunch of homeschooled kids"
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#62 - 2014-01-23 07:49:59 UTC
If it's so valuable, I assume you already have people prepared to move in?

If yes, then there's a reason instead of just epeening that you evicted someone and that's fine and dandy. If no, then you removed content/time.

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Dmitry Wizard
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#63 - 2014-01-23 07:57:18 UTC
Andrew Jester wrote:
If it's so valuable, I assume you already have people prepared to move in?

If yes, then there's a reason instead of just epeening that you evicted someone and that's fine and dandy. If no, then you removed content/time.


They were ready to move in the day after the op. The post wasnt "epeening" it was simply telling a story. but judging by your reaction to it im going to go out on a limb and say your "epeen" isnt very endowed.

"Wormhole corps are like a bunch of homeschooled kids"
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#64 - 2014-01-23 08:01:38 UTC
My epeen is less endowed than a eunuch.

Dmitry Wizard wrote:
They were ready to move in the day after the op.


Either I missed this part of the story or it was left out. I thought you were removing them just because you didn't get your way.

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Joan Greywind
The Lazy Crabs
#65 - 2014-01-23 08:05:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Joan Greywind
Sith1s Spectre wrote:
Joan Greywind wrote:
I understand the need to evict them, but why blob them? Isn't that a bit hypocritical? And how is evicting them going to create more fights? Maybe destroying most of their poses without actually evicting will drive down the message of bringing more fights? It just seems now we fabricate reasons such as honor and religion to create fights, without admitting hey there is actually no good in game reason to fight.

We b**** about null and then use the tactics they use.

I also have a gf, because it is so relevant to the discussion.

And I understand you are the CEO of the corp, but try to use more "we" and less "me" in your posts, it was pretentious.

Rant over.


Joan I think you'd have to be one of the biggest hypocrites on the WH forums. I mean honestly have an opinion on something rather than just disagree with the way everyone does something.

Example - the thread about the fight with us VS SYJ and Polarized. you criticized them for not podding us and being ruthless, however when Ragnarok are ruthless and evict someone you also whine about the way they do it.


I am not stating my view on what they should have done. He stated they evicted them because they provided no fights. So he decides the best way to have more fights (the stated reason of the eviction) is to kick them entirely out of wh space. I love evictions wish there was more of them, but don't be hypocrytical about it. The real reason they evicted them is that they were bored and had nothing better to do. Again I am not saying what they should or shouldn't have done it, just be consistent with your logic and reasons for doing it in the first place.

For some reason not giving fights is dishonorable and a deadly sin in wh space (even when you know that corp is stronger than you), but blobbing is perfectly fine, the logic just isn't consistent.

My other post, where I stated my disagreement about not podding, it wasn't the "not podding" particularly that bothered me. It's the fact that we have to use methods like that on the off chance we have more fights. Fights are so little and far in between. Fighting for fun is amazing, but sometimes fighting to gain a strategic or tactical advantage is also needed, which does not exist in wh space currently. There is simply no conflict drivers.

4 years now with the same fights and the same setups, t3's with guadian support on the hole (maybe on the pos in case of evictions), and the odd ecm tengu or neut legion. In serious fights a bhaal or two are brought or in escalation situations a triage archon. The meta is stagnant, there is no strategic initiative and if you saw 1 fight you've seem them all.

Is that still hypocritical?
Dmitry Wizard
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#66 - 2014-01-23 08:05:45 UTC
Andrew Jester wrote:
My epeen is less endowed than a eunuch.

Dmitry Wizard wrote:
They were ready to move in the day after the op.


Either I missed this part of the story or it was left out. I thought you were removing them just because you didn't get your way.



We removed non pvpers and replaced them WITH pvpers

"Wormhole corps are like a bunch of homeschooled kids"
Dmitry Wizard
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#67 - 2014-01-23 08:09:23 UTC
Joan Greywind wrote:
Sith1s Spectre wrote:
Joan Greywind wrote:
I understand the need to evict them, but why blob them? Isn't that a bit hypocritical? And how is evicting them going to create more fights? Maybe destroying most of their poses without actually evicting will drive down the message of bringing more fights? It just seems now we fabricate reasons such as honor and religion to create fights, without admitting hey there is actually no good in game reason to fight.

We b**** about null and then use the tactics they use.

I also have a gf, because it is so relevant to the discussion.

And I understand you are the CEO of the corp, but try to use more "we" and less "me" in your posts, it was pretentious.

Rant over.


Joan I think you'd have to be one of the biggest hypocrites on the WH forums. I mean honestly have an opinion on something rather than just disagree with the way everyone does something.

Example - the thread about the fight with us VS SYJ and Polarized. you criticized them for not podding us and being ruthless, however when Ragnarok are ruthless and evict someone you also whine about the way they do it.


I am not stating my view on what they should have done. He stated they evicted them because they provided no fights. So he decides the best way to have more fights (the stated reason of the eviction) is to kick them entirely out of wh space. I love evictions wish there was more of them, but don't be hypocrytical about it. The real reason they evicted them is that they were bored and had nothing better to do. Again I am not saying what they should or shouldn't have done it, just be consistent with your logic and reasons for doing it in the first place.

For some reason not giving fights is dishonorable and a deadly sin in wh space (even when you know that corp is stronger than you), but blobbing is perfectly fine, the logic just isn't consistent.

My other post, where I stated my disagreement about not podding, it wasn't the "not podding" particularly that bothered me. It's the fact that we have to use methods like that on the off chance we have more fights. Fights a so little and far in between. Fighting for fun is amazing, but sometimes fighting to gain a strategic or tactical advantage is also needed, which does not exist in wh space currently.

4 years now with the same fights and the same setups, t3's with guadian support on the hole (maybe on the pos in case of evictions), and the odd ecm tengu or neut legion. In serious fights a bhaal or two are brought or in escalation situations a triage archon. The meta is stagnant, there is no strategic initiative and if you saw 1 fight you've seem them all.

Is that still hypocritical?


Ive done my best with Ragnarok. to not force them into the t3 meta i let them fly what they think is fun to fly. having the same fleet doctrines as everyone else makes pvp stale. they still use t3's often but a lot of the time you will a spattering of other ships in our fleets as well from ishtars to eagles to battle cruisers. its up to the individual pilot. we use t3 only fleets when we have to and only when we have to. Hell, we have a guy who likes to fly offensive haulers. its all about the fun they have as an alliance with our fleets

"Wormhole corps are like a bunch of homeschooled kids"
Joan Greywind
The Lazy Crabs
#68 - 2014-01-23 08:15:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Joan Greywind
Dmitry Wizard wrote:
Joan Greywind wrote:
Sith1s Spectre wrote:
Joan Greywind wrote:
I understand the need to evict them, but why blob them? Isn't that a bit hypocritical? And how is evicting them going to create more fights? Maybe destroying most of their poses without actually evicting will drive down the message of bringing more fights? It just seems now we fabricate reasons such as honor and religion to create fights, without admitting hey there is actually no good in game reason to fight.

We b**** about null and then use the tactics they use.

I also have a gf, because it is so relevant to the discussion.

And I understand you are the CEO of the corp, but try to use more "we" and less "me" in your posts, it was pretentious.

Rant over.


Joan I think you'd have to be one of the biggest hypocrites on the WH forums. I mean honestly have an opinion on something rather than just disagree with the way everyone does something.

Example - the thread about the fight with us VS SYJ and Polarized. you criticized them for not podding us and being ruthless, however when Ragnarok are ruthless and evict someone you also whine about the way they do it.


I am not stating my view on what they should have done. He stated they evicted them because they provided no fights. So he decides the best way to have more fights (the stated reason of the eviction) is to kick them entirely out of wh space. I love evictions wish there was more of them, but don't be hypocrytical about it. The real reason they evicted them is that they were bored and had nothing better to do. Again I am not saying what they should or shouldn't have done it, just be consistent with your logic and reasons for doing it in the first place.

For some reason not giving fights is dishonorable and a deadly sin in wh space (even when you know that corp is stronger than you), but blobbing is perfectly fine, the logic just isn't consistent.

My other post, where I stated my disagreement about not podding, it wasn't the "not podding" particularly that bothered me. It's the fact that we have to use methods like that on the off chance we have more fights. Fights are so little and far in between. Fighting for fun is amazing, but sometimes fighting to gain a strategic or tactical advantage is also needed, which does not exist in wh space currently.

4 years now with the same fights and the same setups, t3's with guadian support on the hole (maybe on the pos in case of evictions), and the odd ecm tengu or neut legion. In serious fights a bhaal or two are brought or in escalation situations a triage archon. The meta is stagnant, there is no strategic initiative and if you saw 1 fight you've seem them all.

Is that still hypocritical?


Ive done my best with Ragnarok. to not force them into the t3 meta i let them fly what they think is fun to fly. having the same fleet doctrines as everyone else makes pvp stale. they still use t3's often but a lot of the time you will a spattering of other ships in our fleets as well from ishtars to eagles to battle cruisers. its up to the individual pilot. we use t3 only fleets when we have to and only when we have to. Hell, we have a guy who likes to fly offensive haulers. its all about the fun they have as an alliance with our fleets


Yes but sadly this is not the general case, every serious fight I saw between wh entities, was almost identical to the scenario I stated above. I appreciate the fact that you use other ships for roams and such, but when it gets down to it, there is nothing that trumps that t3 fleet. And that is only part of the problem.

Wh has amazing mechanics with great potential, but with a stagnant meta and no conflict drivers. As always this is my opinion.
Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#69 - 2014-01-23 09:49:12 UTC
It's hard to trump a t3 fleet considering that most fights take place on a wormhole. Anything that can't tank a **** ton will be instantly wrecked. If you had the advantage of having them jump into you, you have more options. The trick is getting people to jump into you when you are doing something different than them.

No trolling please