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Ricktor Tsero
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-01-20 14:01:37 UTC
What is the best Ore Barge to take into a 0.5 system?

Also, what is the most valuable ore you can mine in high sec?
Wafflehead
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-01-20 14:04:57 UTC
And why would this belong in market discussions?
Ricktor Tsero
Doomheim
#3 - 2014-01-20 14:57:16 UTC
You're right. Please move to ships and modules or something.
Kendra Coldera
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2014-01-20 15:08:37 UTC
Ricktor Tsero wrote:
What is the best Ore Barge to take into a 0.5 system?

Also, what is the most valuable ore you can mine in high sec?


I would recommend a properly tanked Mackinaw.

[Mackinaw, Tanked Ore Miner]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Damage Control II

Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Survey Scanner II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Scordite Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Scordite Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Mining Drone I x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

If you are low on Skills it might be tight on CPU. This fit has 38k EHP which means that a lot of people will not bother trying to gank you. Please not that it is of course still possible to be ganked in this. It reduces the chances though. The best tank is being at the keyboard though!

In terms of what to mine:

Best Highsec Ores at the moment are:

Scordite > Pyroxeres > Kernite > Plagioclase > Veldspar > Omber

The first three are very close to each other though and even Plagioclase is not far off. Veldspar and Omber are worth a bit less though.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#5 - 2014-01-20 15:12:50 UTC
Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-01-20 18:03:00 UTC
Ricktor Tsero wrote:
You're right. Please move to ships and modules or something.


You could rephrase
Ricktor Tsero wrote:
What is the best Ore Barge to take into a 0.5 system?

Also, what is the most valuable ore you can mine in high sec?


to:
"What is the best 0.5 Ore Barge Market Value ratio?"

without removing the original post while adding the new intended content.

That way, it would allow the edit to keep track of modification so the readers/posters are not taken off-balance.

(You can make sure to add a note to highlight the change or new meaningful Market Discussion content.)


1.
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The best Ore Barges to take into a 0.5 system or others are the Elite Mining Barges (which are Exhumers):
Mining Barges

T1 Mining Barges
(T2) EXHUMERS


2.
As for:
"What is the most valuable Ore you can mine in high sec?"
it used to be Kernite Ore for me.
Scordite perhaps was close second.
I used to get the data from a table of values listed on a live webpage.

The best Ore to mine in any system may depend on the resale value opportunity available to you.

This may change given the demand and offers of competitors.

It can also be affected by potential refining results (which can be less than selling the Ore Value btw).

Keep in mind that the more risky or trouble some the hauling trip is, the least valuable your cargo becomes.


I am now redesigning my target Ore values by hunting/scanning for Ice and Dark Glitter.
The reason it may make it more valuable for me is mostly due to increasing Jump Bridge Fuel demand.

Unfortunately for me, that demand is not from export source which would more than make up my profit.
It rather is for my own Jump Bridge needs demand.
Even just to jump a mining barge does take jump bridge fuel (which comes from Ice).

Anyways, I will leave it at that, but it wasn't uncommon for me to hear rumors of it being worth millions.
(I was never even offered 10% for it in reality however...)


3.
As for the best specific Ore Mining barge to take into a 0.5 system (Hi sec), it depends on the conditions.

Conditions may change.

Mining with an Orca make make it more worthwhile to use the hi yield ratio barge.
The Orca may allow to transfer the Ore from the Ore hold into it's own internal Ore Hold.
That way, you can make up for the smaller hold than a Mackinaw or Retriever.

The difference between using Exhumer or T1 Ore Barge depends on your skills and other factors.
The nearby purchase availability of the ship.
The control of the risk of loss value is another factor, as the low end Barges mean less risk of higher loss.


Include in the evaluation of the best value factors such as the potential income gain from mining.
This mining can translate into Ore sale, capital construction, structure construction, or who knows what renumeration.


Mining without an Orca or support ship(s) can limit your yield and the cargo class barges may be better.

Mining without support for defense may make your barge more vulnerable to tackling and so the Tank version may be best.
Muffet McStrudel
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-01-20 20:43:28 UTC
Ricktor Tsero wrote:
What is the best Ore Barge to take into a 0.5 system?

Also, what is the most valuable ore you can mine in high sec?


1) which one do you feel like getting ganked? Stick with a procurer. It's cheap and has a good tank. You can use a Retriever or Covetor if you really want but they are paper thin and will die before Concord gets there. Fly a Mackinaw or Hulk and you're basically asking to be ganked.

2) usually either kernite, pyrox. Depends though. Sometimes the number of refines and market circumstances make lower tier ores more valuable to mine.
Huttan Funaila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-01-20 21:39:22 UTC
Ricktor Tsero wrote:
what is the most valuable ore you can mine in high sec?

Since the "most valuable" changes constantly with market conditions, my advice is to check Cerlestes' web page prior to undocking.

As for what to mine in, when mining in highsec and nullsec, I use a procurer. In lowsec, I now stick to a venture.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
#9 - 2014-01-21 13:15:52 UTC
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erg cz
Novus Unitas
Synergy of Steel
#10 - 2014-01-21 14:13:17 UTC
T2 barges are great. But it takes 50 + days to skill for them...
T1 barge you can learn in a week.

I am no miner, but it is usually like this:
AFK mining - Procurer (very good passive tank and 4 ECM drones + 1 combat drone are enough to make you safe even in 0.5) .
Active mining - Covetor (fastest mine, but must keep aligned to some warp able object all the time and run away the same second gang appears)
Professional mining - Retriever (cause you do not need to fly to unload that often)

T2 barges are the same - just bigger ;)
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#11 - 2014-01-21 22:37:41 UTC
0.5 security status... Yum. Fly a procurer and tank it unless you like being ganked. Other barges can work, but you will be a target and have to keep a careful eye on d-scan and local, and be ready to flee at a moments notice.

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James Nikolas Tesla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-01-22 21:22:48 UTC
I mine just fine in a Mining Yield Focused Retriever. When I head into LoSec, I have my Procurer with some WCS.

CODE is just a bunch of pirates; smart, organized pirates. It doesn't help to rage at them because that is exactly what they want. Dust yourself off and get back on your feet, you don't even have to talk to them.

Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#13 - 2014-01-22 21:40:50 UTC
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
0.5 security status... Yum. Fly a procurer and tank it unless you like being ganked. Other barges can work, but you will be a target and have to keep a careful eye on d-scan and local, and be ready to flee at a moments notice.


You heard it from the experts. If you don't want to lose a barge fly a procurer. Chances are good someone MAY still gank you in a procurer, it just takes a lot more work.

If you happen to be in the middle of nowhere you can probably get away with a poorly tanked retreiver. If you're AFK I would agree the procurer is the best choice.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#14 - 2014-01-22 22:15:30 UTC
Kendra Coldera wrote:
Ricktor Tsero wrote:
What is the best Ore Barge to take into a 0.5 system?

Also, what is the most valuable ore you can mine in high sec?


I would recommend a properly tanked Mackinaw.

[Mackinaw, Tanked Ore Miner]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Damage Control II

Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Survey Scanner II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Scordite Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Scordite Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Mining Drone I x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

If you are low on Skills it might be tight on CPU. This fit has 38k EHP which means that a lot of people will not bother trying to gank you. Please not that it is of course still possible to be ganked in this. It reduces the chances though. The best tank is being at the keyboard though!

In terms of what to mine:

Best Highsec Ores at the moment are:

Scordite > Pyroxeres > Kernite > Plagioclase > Veldspar > Omber

The first three are very close to each other though and even Plagioclase is not far off. Veldspar and Omber are worth a bit less though.


This is a very good fit! It is not gank proof (there is no such thing), but will stop anything but a serious gank attempt (like 5x catalysts). Get a feel for the area you wish to mine in. If it is very active with gankers, you may want to use a skiff instead.

The fit below actually has a better mining yield than the Mack, although it has a much smaller ore hold. It also has almost twice the EHP, and would require a very serious effort to gank. I generally find that having to drop off ore twice as often annoys the crap out of me though.

[Skiff, Standard]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Medium Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Survey Scanner II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Mining Drone II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#15 - 2014-01-22 23:14:22 UTC

Gotta love the protectionist racket created and enforced by the new order!
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#16 - 2014-01-22 23:32:11 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

Gotta love the protectionist racket created and enforced by the new order!


The term is "protection racket". A "protectionist racket" would no doubt involve enforcing taxes on importing ore into our space (perhaps enforced by permanent gatecamps on the low side of low/high gates), activities we are not considering being involved in.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-01-23 15:31:05 UTC
I think the word you guys are looking for is "Danegeld". Or maybe "extortion".

It's not as though the "license fee" buys you protection from anyone except themselves.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt

BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#18 - 2014-01-23 19:13:06 UTC
Noxisia Arkana wrote:
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
0.5 security status... Yum. Fly a procurer and tank it unless you like being ganked. Other barges can work, but you will be a target and have to keep a careful eye on d-scan and local, and be ready to flee at a moments notice.


You heard it from the experts. If you don't want to lose a barge fly a procurer. Chances are good someone MAY still gank you in a procurer, it just takes a lot more work.

If you happen to be in the middle of nowhere you can probably get away with a poorly tanked retreiver. If you're AFK I would agree the procurer is the best choice.

I'm an expert now? Cool! I think my kill board disagrees though...

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