Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Wis, ironically might save dust if we can actually meet and hire dust bunnies or watch their matches from the position of a map table. Just like atmospheric flight might help dust if we could strafe the battlefield or watch it from orbit providing intel.

It can safely be said that there are times when it is disadvantageous - or even forbidden by corp/alliance policy - to undock rather than stay in a station.

I don't know what those times are since I don't ever do that, but I've heard rumors and stories.

You've obviously never been in a 0.0 corp. There are times when you can't do anything but wait in station, some times for hours at a time.


I wouldn't mind watching matches at a bar and placing bets on the bunnies. I don't know about atmospheric flight though. Not because I don't like the idea but because we can't control the ships beyond mouse clicks.

Some time ago, back when the captains quarters first appeared, there was a big commotion about things which were not directly connected to walking in stations.

Walking in stations, with the captains quarters being released as the default environment, was the cause of some outcry at the same time as rumors about aur transactions.

The Aur side, which was the actual problem, implied that genuine advantages could be bought. This never actually took place, but the rumor mill cranked it out because of some supposed office memos.

Now, because these had the bad luck of being at the same time, they splashed bad mojo on each other. Many of the WoD haters claimed funds from EVE were being misspent, and WiS was the wasted effect of that.

This was a rather pathetic level of confusion, since:
A: The funds EVE earns belongs to CCP
B: The normal devs never stopped working on the game
C: Assuming devs working on WiS could have been retasked for the regular game, assumed a staggering amount. Devs on this level tend to be specialized, and this was like expecting a plumber to be able to fix your car by comparison.

But then, perception and reality only match where it is convenient, as any marketing person can point out.

The truth is, EVE players have nothing to lose if WiS is developed. The regular support devs won't be interrupted fixing bugs, since they don't get involved with things like this.
Done correctly, it will be like captains quarters. A choice made while docked, and not something impacting game play outside of stations.

And never the default load in setting.

I couldn't agree more. We have nothing to loose or fear from this. Actually, I suspect that quite a few of those who were involved in the Jita protests are now regretting what they did because they stopped this game from reaching it's full potential and the vision CCP had for it. Not to mention the people who lost their jobs. Their intransigence will prove costly, because that gap EVE was going to fill, is going to be used by Star Citizen and future Space Sims to snatch a big chunk of players. CCP will feel the hit, but I doubt they'll be bothered. Perhaps they believe to be the undisputed perpetual emperors of Space games.

I for one am looking forward greatly to WIS getting more love. The atmospheric flight video was also new to me. I'm still a rather new player so I have missed a lot of the drama and what not surrounding the initial release of WIS etc, but I think its high time to invest time in the development of these awesome features again, which then would help create a better feel of immersion.

If I'm not totally wrong EVE has been described as a "reality". Being able to exist in the world as something more than a mere spaceship is a big deal. Think about the in-station game, the political and economical possibilities etc.

As for the atmospheric flight, it would again increase the immersion factor. Currently I find it rather dumb that I can fly straight into a planet/moon and just go straight through it. It totally destroys immersion.

There are no doubt issues in the game that need resolving. Many of the old systems that need reworking etc. My greatest hopes and expectations for the game however are still improved WIS and after seeing the atmospheric flight video that as well.

Both of you presented extremes and both are ridiculous.

Not to mention that different engines have different coding. While you may know Cryengine like the back of your hand, you may know nothing about the Unreal engine. Plus dumping unfamiliar people into a project often mucks up the program worse than just using the few people you have. Most pilots either don't care or want WiS. mostly leaning toward don't care either way. The protest in no way was toward WiS. It was an appropriate over reaction to even a hint of PTW. I'm sure players wouldn't mind CCP adding more station stuff provided it doesn't take over an expansion. Since its not part of major game play it needs to stay on the sidelines.

I Never was a big Fan of WIS, simply because i fail to see why we need cosy and blinky ingame Facebook while Space is still disturbing empty and lifeless. (Beyond Space like emptiness of course)

Edit: I would rather ask "Why is there still no comets, real Asteroid Belts in Space or why do we have over 5000+ Systems with only one Sun or why do we have still no physics or why cant we not use structures to hide and cover?"

Delt0r, you are drifting off topic here.

I am saying two things.

First, the developers who fix bugs get better with each task, since they have the opportunity to learn details about the coding which can make future tweaks easier with similar issues. Same logic that shows a person stops needing a map and directions once they are familiar with an area when traveling.

Second, you approach this from a general practitioner view, where everyone knows a little about everything, and needs to research specific details when necessary. A specialized coder still may know a little about everything, but they have already researched and learned about one aspect more in depth, giving them an advantage dealing with this area.

It is not always practical to learn everything about all possible aspects, as such training and experience is simply not necessary in many applications, and more cost effective to specialize with as a result.