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Just going to keep banging the drum here about the 'Complete Industry Revamp' that was supposed to be Quantum Rise but got pushed into a backlog black hole.

Any hopes of this being resurrected in the near future?

Eve needs consumables - Some relatively inelastic demand items that impact PVE to PVP that scale up with ship size and player age. Examples are - Fuel for MWD and ABs, charges for Armour Reppers and Shied Boosters (no not cap charges - think more along the lines of ammo for active modules) Use minerals in ship repair and not just ISK, but keep current ISK costs.

Eve needs new raw materials (minerals et al) to be used up in T1 to Tn construction, materials that can't be found in the same places as current materials - More time needs to be consumed in resource gathering versus ISK gathering - don't make it more boring or a time sink so much as simply add additional requirements for existing things. Create more demands upon time by adding new raw materials to the landscape and place them in locations other than existing materials.

Add hungry mouths to some of the planets, Barren and Terrain planets can have people that want to be feed. The other planets can have robots that need repair. People eat food, robots eat minerals.

Start giving us some info on the Dust/Eve economic dependencies, got lots of brains in your player base that are willing to help with the ideas. Granted lots of ignorant trolls and clowns too, but the good ideas speak for them selves.

There was a dev sponsored/authored thread a few years ago about player suggestions/improvements to the market interface - whatever happened to that?

Stocks, bonds, etc etc!

How about we keep everything the same? But, raise prices on items like oh, say...plex.

^take stuff that works, and break them.

Ideally, each strand of PvE should specialise in granting one type of resource to the player who puts time into it, so if you want minerals, mining should be your first port of call. Half the problem with the current economy is that missioning acts as a one-stop shop which grants everything a player could ever need: raw ISK, loyalty points, modules, minerals (through loot melting), standings ... I've possibly missed one or two things off that list as well.

Changing the way that loot drops work would be one step towards fixing this - if, for example, wrecks never contained fully intact items to be plucked and re-used, just wrecked salvage components that couldn't be melted down and required some manufacturing time and mineral consumption to make into operable modules, that would turn the current system on its head.

I think the big issue here is how to find the right balance between the ISK faucets and the ISK sinks. Judging from the last QEN* of last year, the biggest ISK faucet happens to be bounty prizes (no doubt from running missions). From the looks of things, the ISK flowing into the economy will continue to devalue the ISK over time unless a balance between the faucet and the sink is found.

Thankfully, since the insurance payout to suicide gankers will be nerfed 100% this winter expansion, the ISK flowing into the economy will obviously drop. However, I believe that is just a minor drop in the bucket compared to the 800 lb gorilla in the room (mission bounties). Perhaps if we can discuss this more we may find a solution together.

http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/QEN/QEN_Q3-2010.pdf

Batch of faction cruise cost 4.2k LP and 4.2 mil isk trade in. A high end lvl4 mission gives around 8.4k LP, 3 mil isk rewards, and 10 mil isk bounty (if pirate rats, zero for drone/faction rats). If clearing all rats, it's a small 4 mil net isk faucet. If not clear all rats, or blitz, it's net isk sink.

This is why sanctums were nerfed, but not missions. Doing so reduce isk sink as well as isk faucet. You even run the risk of potentially making things worse by reducing sink more than faucet, if the nerf end up chase mission blitzers off.

There's no insurance on mods, rigs, and implants. The insurance on T2 ships is marginal. And on top of all that I wouldn't mind seeing insurance removed altogether anyway, but I think your over stating it's impact. LP store's demand is largely fueled by things blowing up. The problem is those milking that faucet (missions and high sec incursions) are at virtually no risk to losing stuff themselves.

You didn't fix anything Thredd,

Risk vs Reward is the basics of gameplay. If the greatest reward is to be found where there is the least risk, why would players ever rationally choose anything other than the least risk? Other than out of sheer boredom of course.

If you live in High Sec doing PvE, you still effect the whole game, the more ISK you generate into the game the less everyone's ISK is worth, including those in Null, Low Sec and WH. If you want gameplay that immunizes you from other players and parts of the game, the game should be immunized of all your activities. Perhaps that's an alternative option High Sec missions and Incursions only reward players with mods/ships that can be used in PvE and no ISK.


EVE is supposed to be a Sandbox, CCP should stop accommodating Themepark players... yes that's the divide in all these debates I see on the forums. It isn't between PvPers and "Carebears" whatever that means, it's between Sandbox players and Themepark players. In regards to the Economy and everything else in the next meeting I want the CSM to ram home to CCP with the iron fist of Mittani that they need to always choose Sandbox over Themepark. I have no desire to play space WoW.

I agree and disagree to some extent, but that discussion belongs in the Game Balance thread. Kinda. At least it certainly doesn't belong in the PLEX thread.