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Marsha Mallow
#421 - 2014-01-21 19:59:33 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Anything else to add?

Why, yes, thank you for asking. Whilst I appreciate that rather feeble attempt at a smackdown; if it doesn't sting, don't even bother, I'll just do it myself: 4/10. Aim a bit higher next time.

I wasn't addressing you btw. When I do, I'll look at you (and possibly quote you, just to make it clear). I was replying to the person I quoted who complained about a lack of CCP reaction. Don't be so sad, whoever you are! Our elected reps may well even now be getting drunk and talking bollocks to fix our entire nerd-world.

Anyway back to you, Prince. Your comments make it clear you are entirely devoid of hope, filled with bitterness, despise CCP and the playerbase for even discussing this issue in ways that don't align entirely with your own. You should probably run for CSM. In the meantime, have the balls to direct your bile at CCP rather than random players who are merely passing on useful information.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#422 - 2014-01-21 21:00:57 UTC
There was a CCP response. Not much of one though.
http://themittani.com/news/ccp-apologizes-hed-gp-performance

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
TharOkha
0asis Group
#423 - 2014-01-21 21:40:13 UTC
i dont know why all the rage at CCP?

3800+ ships in system..... 3800 !!!! ....and countless drones..

From now on, Alliance generals and FCs need to carefully plan such things as number of hot dropping pilots, how many waves and above all WHEN..

not just "everybody jump jump jump"...and then blame CCP that their super-computers cannot handle to load 3000+ ships at once.

Successful battle starts outside of game.

CODE. Venture hunt contest in a nutshell
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#424 - 2014-01-22 00:35:13 UTC
You mean "whoever gets in system first wins".

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
PinkPanter
Valhalla Drinking Team
#425 - 2014-01-22 00:55:01 UTC  |  Edited by: PinkPanter
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
You mean "whoever gets in system first wins".


Said a blob centric alliance member.
C'mon man. Drop it already. It really and I mean really makes you look ********.
Hypocrisy does not make you cool or smart or whatever.
You are not entitled and you are not special.
Use whatever is necessary to win or go to hi sec and nerf, scam more noobs to generate "awesome" content.

Deal with the fact that you failed on all accounts.
Take it as a man and HTFU or literally quit because at this point nobody gives a damn crap anymore. We just enjoy your tears.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#426 - 2014-01-22 00:58:26 UTC
So your position is that that sort of tactic is good for the game?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
PinkPanter
Valhalla Drinking Team
#427 - 2014-01-22 01:21:27 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
So your position is that that sort of tactic is good for the game?



As with every day life stuff I deal with what I have.
This is the game I choose to play and I learn all the stuff I need to play it to my advantage.
I simply can't comprehend the fact your blue ball which invented all those shady tactics is the one crying now.
Level of stupidity, self entitlement, hypocrisy and a literal lack of brain cells is what I find bad for the game.
You are not smarth enough to change tactics, you just ***** cry to CCP. You can't take the fact this time you lost, you cry to CCP. WHATEVER stands in your blue blob rofl stom bullshit way you cry to CCP. The **** are you all? Seriously.
Arboledaw
Sakura Holdings
#428 - 2014-01-22 01:23:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Arboledaw
Speedkermit Damo wrote:
The thing is, how do we the players ram home the messge to CCP that sov mechanics are **** and we won't stand for it any longer. Otherwise they are never going to do anything about nullsec.

Perhaps all the nullsec entities, big and small. Should set aside their differences for a while and declare war on high-sec. A sustained campaign of ganking every miner and mission runner that undocks should make CCP finally listen.


I'm of a similar mindset. I want to do something to get CCP's attention. I could unsubscribe and walk away but I don't think that's as constructive as communicating what I don't like.
Shiti Dama
Hull Zero Two
#429 - 2014-01-22 03:11:36 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
So your position is that that sort of tactic is good for the game?



Here is the tactic that should have been done in this particular situation:

Drop 100 +/- Dominixes to remove the MCJ. (or as many as you need to simply get your position for the cyno, or who knows, maybe 500 rifters could have done this and light a cyno)
Jump In Titans + Short range Dreads (have some back up, maybe 600 in, rest on hold)
Dominix fleet holding in SV5 ready to move in.
Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
#430 - 2014-01-22 05:13:15 UTC
Speedkermit Damo wrote:
The thing is, how do we the players ram home the messge to CCP that sov mechanics are **** and we won't stand for it any longer. Otherwise they are never going to do anything about nullsec.

Perhaps all the nullsec entities, big and small. Should set aside their differences for a while and declare war on high-sec. A sustained campaign of ganking every miner and mission runner that undocks should make CCP finally listen.


confirming highsec was the cause of the server failure at this recent nullsec battle.

how dare high sec systems merely be closed down to feed the energy of nearly 4000 players attempting to fight in a single system with all thier ships, weapons, drones, wrecks, jumps and whatnot.

I have heard some pretty amusing things on this forum, but that one - so far takes the cake!
Juicy Pop
Isolated Entropy
#431 - 2014-01-22 06:53:25 UTC
I don't think that this is an issue that can be simply be swept under the rug again CCP. Hopefully you guys actually used the time that TIDI bought you to come up with some serious mechanistic changes to coalition/SOV warfare. The idea that you may just now be getting on board with the community about these issues is close to unbelievable.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#432 - 2014-01-22 07:19:21 UTC
Shiti Dama wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
So your position is that that sort of tactic is good for the game?



Here is the tactic that should have been done in this particular situation:

Drop 100 +/- Dominixes to remove the MCJ. (or as many as you need to simply get your position for the cyno, or who knows, maybe 500 rifters could have done this and light a cyno)
Jump In Titans + Short range Dreads (have some back up, maybe 600 in, rest on hold)
Dominix fleet holding in SV5 ready to move in.

"Here's what you can do with an Associate's Degree in Nullsec TiDi Capital Warfare Tactics from the University of Caille."

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Prince Kobol
#433 - 2014-01-22 07:21:35 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Anything else to add?

Why, yes, thank you for asking. Whilst I appreciate that rather feeble attempt at a smackdown; if it doesn't sting, don't even bother, I'll just do it myself: 4/10. Aim a bit higher next time.

I wasn't addressing you btw. When I do, I'll look at you (and possibly quote you, just to make it clear). I was replying to the person I quoted who complained about a lack of CCP reaction. Don't be so sad, whoever you are! Our elected reps may well even now be getting drunk and talking bollocks to fix our entire nerd-world.

Anyway back to you, Prince. Your comments make it clear you are entirely devoid of hope, filled with bitterness, despise CCP and the playerbase for even discussing this issue in ways that don't align entirely with your own. You should probably run for CSM. In the meantime, have the balls to direct your bile at CCP rather than random players who are merely passing on useful information.



Wasn't meant to be able any attempt as a smack down, just to point out that your crying for some kind of special attention is quite pointless as there have been many Dev Blogs on the subject over the years as we ll as the usual panels at fanfest.

So in other words trying to claim that CCP are silent is well, a load of BS. Big smile
Prince Kobol
#434 - 2014-01-22 07:22:55 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
So your position is that that sort of tactic is good for the game?


Yet it is a tactic you have used many times before to your own advantage but weirdly enough this the first time you have complained about it.. that's so strange.. Blink
TharOkha
0asis Group
#435 - 2014-01-22 08:08:06 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Shiti Dama wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
So your position is that that sort of tactic is good for the game?



Here is the tactic that should have been done in this particular situation:

Drop 100 +/- Dominixes to remove the MCJ. (or as many as you need to simply get your position for the cyno, or who knows, maybe 500 rifters could have done this and light a cyno)
Jump In Titans + Short range Dreads (have some back up, maybe 600 in, rest on hold)
Dominix fleet holding in SV5 ready to move in.

"Here's what you can do with an Associate's Degree in Nullsec TiDi Capital Warfare Tactics from the University of Caille."


...and here we go again.. elitism, arrogance, hubris, haughtiness....

This is the exactly the reason why i haven't joined sov null yet. Because i cannot deal with this cocky "l33t arrogance" that prevails exclusively among sov nullsec dwellers.

instead of micromanaging "how to load on grid" you just scream "nooooo, everybody jump jump jump, fck CCP supernode and its HW limits" and then of course.... blame CCP.

You have should known that those 3000 pilots who were ready to fight and load the grid simutaneously would cause problems with servers. So dont be so suprised that it went so wrong.

CODE. Venture hunt contest in a nutshell
Prince Kobol
#436 - 2014-01-22 08:33:37 UTC
TharOkha wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Shiti Dama wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
So your position is that that sort of tactic is good for the game?



Here is the tactic that should have been done in this particular situation:

Drop 100 +/- Dominixes to remove the MCJ. (or as many as you need to simply get your position for the cyno, or who knows, maybe 500 rifters could have done this and light a cyno)
Jump In Titans + Short range Dreads (have some back up, maybe 600 in, rest on hold)
Dominix fleet holding in SV5 ready to move in.

"Here's what you can do with an Associate's Degree in Nullsec TiDi Capital Warfare Tactics from the University of Caille."


...and here we go again.. elitism, arrogance, hubris, haughtiness....

This is the exactly the reason why i haven't joined sov null yet. Because i cannot deal with this cocky "l33t arrogance" that prevails exclusively among sov nullsec dwellers.

instead of micromanaging "how to load on grid" you just scream "nooooo, everybody jump jump jump, fck CCP supernode and its HW limits" and then of course.... blame CCP.

You have should known that those 3000 pilots who were ready to fight and load the grid simutaneously would cause problems with servers. So dont be so suprised that it went so wrong.



Complete agree, there is not one corp / alliance who lives in null who does not know what happens when numbers reach this level.

Ridiculing people because they are not part of null sec alliance is pretty pathetic. The fact during that fight RUS/CFC could of taken a number of steps to mitigate the issues brought about having TiDi and Lag in system.

You didn't and we all know the result. Instead of asking for the impossible, i.e unlimited number of players with zero lag + TiDi in one system, how about learning from your mistakes and doing things differently, in other words, adapt like everybody else has.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#437 - 2014-01-22 09:25:09 UTC
Decian Cor wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong, but couldn't this be resolved by attacking multiple places at once? You know, divide and conquer?

"This single system can't support our +3000 players and is broken!" seems to be a pretty stupid and pointless arguement when you keep trying it over and over, reinforcing a single system and then sitting on the timer until everyone this side of New Eden is ready to jump in and experience 'fun' at half the speed of a dead snail.

To me it seems to be that there is nothing stopping you all from splitting your 3000 player battles into 2 or 3 different battles of 500 or so players, over a few adjacent systems, and still having just as great a time while accomplishing your objectives in the end.

Your smaller alliance can't muster enough resistance to counter the hostile numbers? Definitely sounds like CCP's fault to me...

"Get more friends to come and help you out." (that seems to be the popular theme and advice now-a-days anyhow). Then split the fights up.

If everybody wants fun fights and explosions, it will take the effort of everybody, not just CCP.

TL;DR

Repeatedly slamming your head against a brick wall and then asking why the brick wall isn't getting any softer is idiotic. I don't think the game is broken. I think your "I don't like this any more, fix it while I complain and keep doing it" attitudes and "dogpile" playstyles are.



The concept of reinforced timmers defeat that. BEcause if you simply strike 5 places during that figths. The enemy will just schedule their timmers to be spread so they can focus compeltely.

Stratetical targets have too many HP and reinforced timers are too long and too precise to allow that.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#438 - 2014-01-22 09:28:22 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Baltec you can pretend that timers are fine and EHP is an issue but that's simply not true. With what you had for HED you might well have beat PL/N3, you at least would have done some serious damage. With timers being so predictable the winner is the group that clogs the system first. The only possible win for you was to leave.

Timers however are only a symptom. The disease is the feeling of entitlement that people have to massive amounts of null without the people to defend the space around the clock.

Ping pong only becomes an issue when the numbers of systems held are more than the number of systems able to be defended based on low population numbers. It makes no sense for people to feel entitled to 1000 systems when at low population times they're only able to defend 300.

It makes no sense for the games sov warfare to effectively shut down for 8 hours purely for the benefit of the US players. It's a single sharded globally shared game and as such sov holding entities should reflect that.

Timers are a failed terrible system. Invulnerability is unrealistic magic WoW crap and the excuse you can't get anyone to defend when your not online makes zero sense when there are obviously people online at those times to attack.



THAT! A billion times that!!

Sov should and MUST be made so that you are only entitled to the system you can defend PROMPTLY!!

If you want to extend beyond that.. IT SHOULD PING PONG!! As it happens in real life wars! IF you try to push beyond your logistics capabilities you are surely gonna suffer a reversal. If both sides are on this scenario PING PONG HAPPENS.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Decian Cor
Stronghelm Corporation
Solyaris Chtonium
#439 - 2014-01-22 12:06:22 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:


The counter is argument is after investing so much time and effort to acquire sov, why should we lose it just to give other people fun?

However in general I do agree.



You shouldn't have to lose it, persay, but at least allow some risk and chance for some decent fights. All the risk aversion makes for a boring game.

I mean, unless that's what you're into...then just keep doing it and have your kind of fun :)

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Anthar Thebess
#440 - 2014-01-22 12:17:44 UTC
The real issue is that higsec is taking to much hardware power from eve servers.
Maybe the simplest way to solve nullsec issues is to reduce the workload that higsec puts on the servers.

Removing most of the higsec faction / t2 / t3 ships will be both fun and good to eve performance - will keep their pilots docked and inactive allowing nullsec to thrive .

It is worth to try.

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