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Silent Rambo

Orion Positronics

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#1 - 2014-01-21 22:01:36 UTC

I've seen a few fittings in my day, and most seem pretty vanilla and without any sort of interesting or unpredictable flair.

Does anyone specialize in flying ships with unpredictable fittings?

How successful would a small roaming gang of "crazy", "unfocused", or "crazy-unfocused" ships be, flow by competent organized pilots? What would the pros and cons be of this kind of gang PvP?

Discuss.

You really think someone would do that? Just log into EvE and tell lies?

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Erufen Rito Republic Military School Minmatar Republic Likes received: 364	#2 - 2014-01-21 22:03:55 UTC Considering the game is based around specializing, I dare to say not effective at all, when facing specialized counterparts. /discussion. This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165

Angelica Dreamstar

Aliastra

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 1,101

#3 - 2014-01-21 22:08:35 UTC

Erufen Rito wrote:

Considering the game is based around specializing, I dare to say not effective at all, when facing specialized counterparts.

/discussion.

You're just a victim.

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

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Silent Rambo Orion Positronics Likes received: 164	#4 - 2014-01-21 22:08:52 UTC 14 Erufen Rito wrote: /discussion. I'm glad everyone knows the discussion is over now. Where is ISD or a Dev? We should lock this thread down now guys, Erufen Rito has given his opinion and that means that the discussion is over. You really think someone would do that? Just log into EvE and tell lies?

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TharOkha 0asis Group Likes received: 954	#5 - 2014-01-21 22:09:23 UTC \| Edited by: TharOkha 3 well i attended several weird fleets like laser fitted ventures doctrine, mining ships revenge or noob ships rage ops. Our enemy was like "WTF? 0.o" underestimated us and latr they died. Fun as hell. unpredictable situations with unpredictable fleets with weird fits is what makes this game so great :) CODE. Venture hunt contest in a nutshell

Angelica Dreamstar

Aliastra

Gallente Federation

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#6 - 2014-01-21 22:10:49 UTC | Edited by: Angelica Dreamstar

Silent Rambo wrote:

99% of the people out there use generic fittings and can not think for themselves. What kind of responses do you expect from GD, then ?

Edit: Especially GD. Should move this to Ships&Fittings.

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE

Silent Rambo

Orion Positronics

Likes received: 164

#7 - 2014-01-21 22:15:03 UTC | Edited by: Silent Rambo

Angelica Dreamstar wrote:

Silent Rambo wrote:

99% of the people out there use generic fittings and can not think for themselves. What kind of responses do you expect from GD, then ?

Edit: Especially GD. Should move this to Ships&Fittings.

I was looking for more of a general discussion about the pros and cons of unpredictability in PvP. Seems pretty GD to me Blink

You really think someone would do that? Just log into EvE and tell lies?

Angelica Dreamstar

Aliastra

Gallente Federation

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#8 - 2014-01-21 22:18:16 UTC

Silent Rambo wrote:

Angelica Dreamstar wrote:

Silent Rambo wrote:

99% of the people out there use generic fittings and can not think for themselves. What kind of responses do you expect from GD, then ?

Edit: Especially GD. Should move this to Ships&Fittings.

I was looking for more of a general discussion about the pros and cons of unpredictability in PvP. Seems pretty GD to me Blink

Good luck with these people ...

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE

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Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops Likes received: 27,526	#9 - 2014-01-21 22:18:28 UTC 1 Silent Rambo wrote: How successful would a small roaming gang of "crazy", "unfocused", or "crazy-unfocused" ships be, flow by competent organized pilots? The common term is “comedy killmail”.

Silent Rambo

Orion Positronics

Likes received: 164

#10 - 2014-01-21 22:26:04 UTC

Tippia wrote:

Silent Rambo wrote:

How successful would a small roaming gang of "crazy", "unfocused", or "crazy-unfocused" ships be, flow by competent organized pilots?

The common term is “comedy killmail”.

Not fitting a ship the way everyone else EXPECTS you too is one thing, plain fitting it poorly for laughs or because you bad at EvE is another. The latter is more the "comedy killmail" and ALOD category.

You really think someone would do that? Just log into EvE and tell lies?

Hasikan Miallok

Republic University

Minmatar Republic

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#11 - 2014-01-21 22:26:46 UTC

I have been trying to convince a few ppl to get a Battle Nereus gang together for a losec roam instead of the same old same old. Half a dozen Nereus ganking is a lot of neut and EWAR and Warrior IIs.

It would make for hilarious kill-mails if you managed to knock off an unsuspecting solo T2 or T3.

"Lost my tengu again."
"How?"
"Another one of those OP Nereus PvP gangs."

Silent Rambo

Orion Positronics

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#12 - 2014-01-21 22:56:36 UTC

Hasikan Miallok wrote:

I'm in. Ill bring a badger though.

I feel EWar can make a "poorly" fit ship pretty damn amazing. Also tanking seems rather unnecessary with enough hilarious amounts of EWar.

You really think someone would do that? Just log into EvE and tell lies?

Alduin666 Shikkoken

Doomheim

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#13 - 2014-01-22 00:00:53 UTC

I used to run a small high sec merc corp and we were mainly armor. This newbro wanted in but could only fly Caldari ships so we came up with a 1600 plate RLML Caracal and filled the mids with webs and target painters.

Obviously this was before the RLML change, but it actually did surprisingly well.

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Paranoid Loyd Likes received: 10,020	#14 - 2014-01-22 00:04:42 UTC 2 Battle Badger doesn't give a **** "There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix Fix the Prospect!

Hasikan Miallok

Republic University

Minmatar Republic

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#15 - 2014-01-22 00:10:49 UTC

Paranoid Loyd wrote:

Battle Badger doesn't give a ****

I actually think post-patch the Nereus is the better battle indy. For losec work you can run a LSE, MWD, cloak if you want and if your going defensive even squeeze in warp stabs all the while packing 6 x Warrior II/EWAR drones .

All the while only costing a couple of mill when you do lose the occasional one.

Silent Rambo

Orion Positronics

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#16 - 2014-01-22 00:31:27 UTC

Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:

I've played around with EFT quite a bit and you can do surprising things when you think outside the box. Switch from a standard tank here, or adding some Ewar there, you can get make some pretty interesting fits that are far from something one would expect.

You really think someone would do that? Just log into EvE and tell lies?

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James Amril-Kesh Viziam Amarr Empire Likes received: 11,532	#17 - 2014-01-22 00:45:47 UTC I (flying a Thrasher with 200mm Autocannon IIs) once died to a guy in a Talos with 200mm Autocannon IIs. Enjoying the rain today? ;)


Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic Likes received: 1,926	#18 - 2014-01-22 00:48:59 UTC James Amril-Kesh wrote: I (flying a Thrasher with 200mm Autocannon IIs) once died to a guy in a Talos with 200mm Autocannon IIs. Wow I have 200mm Autocannon IIs in my Claw and in my Wolf ... small world.

Petrus Blackshell

Rifterlings

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#19 - 2014-01-22 01:16:19 UTC | Edited by: Petrus Blackshell

Silent Rambo wrote:

PvPers with too many skill points and time on their hands usually do this. However, it's quite hard to do with gangs, because "crazy" gang setups generally have gaping vulnerabilities, or they wouldn't be "crazy". You'll mostly find weird stuff with solo pilots. If a setup like that consistently performs well and gains fame, it may even make it into the metagame.

Some examples from my own history:

Solo lowsec Apocalypse - actually managed to kill more than it costed me, somehow.
Brawling TD Malediction (and other assorted TD stuff) - Used to be rare and only flown by niche pilots, but is now super common.
Any kind of Raptor
Solo Maller
Kiting laser Myrmidon
Many more

Most times you try to do this, you end up with something either completely inoperable, or very ineffective. When it does work and you get something that both works and is reliable, you start having loads of fun, and people conclude that you're a space wizard.

Overall, it requires lots of skill points (to fit the weirdest things possible), personal skill and experience, and being okay with failing over and over.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

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Aiwha School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State Likes received: 1,259	#20 - 2014-01-22 01:52:27 UTC Sentry arty alpha myrmadons. Its the future. Sanity is fun leaving the body.