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What would happen if CCP finally nerfed hisec?

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Kira Enomoto
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1081 - 2014-01-21 13:23:25 UTC
Sevchenko Valens wrote:
TharOkha wrote:
Sevchenko Valens wrote:
Roll back these mining ship buffs. Needing a brutix to kill a mackinaw is ridiculous.


What is so ridiculous about this? The fact, that 200m+ isk ship has cruiser size HP now, instead of frigate HP?


My game was considerably more fulfilling when I could kill a miner in a 15 mil isk ship. I used to solo kill these bastards in a catalyst and now I need a brutix?

Maybe you should learn to be pvp bro


My game was considerably more fulfilling if I could get rid of pointless whining.

Maybe you should learn to consider other games bro
TharOkha
0asis Group
#1082 - 2014-01-21 13:31:57 UTC
Sevchenko Valens wrote:
TharOkha wrote:
Sevchenko Valens wrote:
Roll back these mining ship buffs. Needing a brutix to kill a mackinaw is ridiculous.


What is so ridiculous about this? The fact, that 200m+ isk ship has cruiser size HP now, instead of frigate HP?


My game was considerably more fulfilling when I could kill a miner in a 15 mil isk ship. I used to solo kill these bastards in a catalyst and now I need a brutix?

Maybe you should learn to be pvp bro


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Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#1083 - 2014-01-21 13:42:30 UTC
the barges are great now. i've got some of my best killmails in a procurer.

it's you people doing it wrong who are ruining the game,.

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RAIN Arthie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1084 - 2014-01-21 14:35:56 UTC
Sevchenko Valens wrote:
TharOkha wrote:
Sevchenko Valens wrote:
Roll back these mining ship buffs. Needing a brutix to kill a mackinaw is ridiculous.


What is so ridiculous about this? The fact, that 200m+ isk ship has cruiser size HP now, instead of frigate HP?


My game was considerably more fulfilling when I could kill a miner in a 15 mil isk ship. I used to solo kill these bastards in a catalyst and now I need a brutix?

Maybe you should learn to be pvp bro


Better toughen up buttercup. Mining ships evolve just like everything else in eve. Maybe somewhere in the eve fiction the story line indicated that the miners were getting blown out of the sky and went to their factions for help. Evolve with the times people. The past is gone. So many "It used to be like this, but now it's like this" threads, followed byOopsEvil faces. Overcome and adapt.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1085 - 2014-01-21 18:29:52 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:

It is less income than w-space and null, and has been nerfed repeatedly.


When?


When they nerfed:

Incursions
Loot tables
meta drops
insurance fraud
bounty payouts
shitpoasting.

Lol, they never nerfed number 6.

That's 5 things off the top of my head. Read the dev blogs for a more inclusive list.


Incursion nerf also happened in low and null
Loot tables also happened in low and null
Meta drops also happened in low and null
Insurance fraud was a stupid thing that everyone did everywhere they could get hold of cheap BS.
Bounty pauyouts were nerfed in low and null at the same time, null saw two more nerfs to bounties that year.
Shiptosting is impossible to nerf.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1086 - 2014-01-21 18:35:12 UTC
RAIN Arthie wrote:
Sevchenko Valens wrote:
TharOkha wrote:
Sevchenko Valens wrote:
Roll back these mining ship buffs. Needing a brutix to kill a mackinaw is ridiculous.


What is so ridiculous about this? The fact, that 200m+ isk ship has cruiser size HP now, instead of frigate HP?


My game was considerably more fulfilling when I could kill a miner in a 15 mil isk ship. I used to solo kill these bastards in a catalyst and now I need a brutix?

Maybe you should learn to be pvp bro


Better toughen up buttercup. Mining ships evolve just like everything else in eve. Maybe somewhere in the eve fiction the story line indicated that the miners were getting blown out of the sky and went to their factions for help. Evolve with the times people. The past is gone. So many "It used to be like this, but now it's like this" threads, followed byOopsEvil faces. Overcome and adapt.


The mining barge buffs were terrible but for more reasons than most think.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#1087 - 2014-01-21 19:40:01 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:

It is less income than w-space and null, and has been nerfed repeatedly.


When?


When they nerfed:

Incursions
Loot tables
meta drops
insurance fraud
bounty payouts
shitpoasting.

Lol, they never nerfed number 6.

That's 5 things off the top of my head. Read the dev blogs for a more inclusive list.


Incursion nerf also happened in low and null
Loot tables also happened in low and null
Meta drops also happened in low and null
Insurance fraud was a stupid thing that everyone did everywhere they could get hold of cheap BS.
Bounty pauyouts were nerfed in low and null at the same time, null saw two more nerfs to bounties that year.
Shiptosting is impossible to nerf.


If A > B and both A and B are reduced proportionally A > B. The hisec bounties were nerfed by a higher proportion, the insurance fraud effected hisec more than low or null because of the availability of resources on the market. the Incursion nerf effected the income of hisec infinitely more than low or null because there are much better ways to make income than Incursions in low and null.

I don't really care if "insurance fraud was a stupid thing" or not, its irrelevant to the OP. The point is that the income in hisec has been reduced repeatedly.

Sounds to me like the "carebears" are dealing with it and the "nullbears" are whining about it.

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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1088 - 2014-01-21 19:46:29 UTC  |  Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2
baltec1 wrote:
Incursion nerf also happened in low and null
Loot tables also happened in low and null
Meta drops also happened in low and null
Insurance fraud was a stupid thing that everyone did everywhere they could get hold of cheap BS.
Bounty pauyouts were nerfed in low and null at the same time, null saw two more nerfs to bounties that year.
Shiptosting is impossible to nerf.

By your own logic null sec has never been nerfed either. Oh, and the claims that hi sec is being buffed expansion after expansion are also baseless, since changes, such as the mining buffs and insurance, affect lo and null sec as well. This standard of yours works both ways.

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.
Radius Prime
Tax Evading Ass.
#1089 - 2014-01-21 20:33:34 UTC
*Jawn* another one of these...


The game would die.

Reopen the EVE gate so we can invade Serenity. Goons can go first.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1090 - 2014-01-21 20:44:01 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
By your own logic null sec has never been nerfed either. Oh, and the claims that hi sec is being buffed expansion after expansion are also baseless, since changes, such as the mining buffs and insurance, affect lo and null sec as well. This standard of yours works both ways.


Null has seen nerf after nerf to its income that have only impacted null. This has resulted in anom income falling year after year until it dipped below level 4 missions.
Josef Djugashvilis
#1091 - 2014-01-21 20:55:25 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
By your own logic null sec has never been nerfed either. Oh, and the claims that hi sec is being buffed expansion after expansion are also baseless, since changes, such as the mining buffs and insurance, affect lo and null sec as well. This standard of yours works both ways.


Null has seen nerf after nerf to its income that have only impacted null. This has resulted in anom income falling year after year until it dipped below level 4 missions.


Baltec, if you cannot make more in null-sec than doing level 4 missions in hi-sec, you do not belong there.

Come back home, you will be most welcome in warm embrace of Empire space.

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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1092 - 2014-01-21 21:08:52 UTC  |  Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2
baltec1 wrote:
Null has seen nerf after nerf to its income that have only impacted null.

Can you list what these "nerfs after nerfs" have been that are exclusive to null alone?

Remember: I'm using your own standard here. If a nerf is not exclusive to null then it should not be categorized as a nerf to null.

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.
Notorious Fellon
#1093 - 2014-01-21 21:17:23 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Null has seen nerf after nerf to its income that have only impacted null.

Can you list what these "nerfs after nerfs" have been that are exclusive to null alone?


He will use his usual response when asked to back it up: "I will dig that out when I get home".

Then he will not return to the thread.

Crime, it is not a "career", it is a lifestyle.
Silent Rambo
Orion Positronics
#1094 - 2014-01-21 21:23:23 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Null has seen nerf after nerf to its income that have only impacted null.

Can you list what these "nerfs after nerfs" have been that are exclusive to null alone?


Why would you ever expect a Goon's assertions to be based upon fact bro? These are the EvE forums. The only trustworthy, non biased posts are Dev posts.

You really think someone would do that? Just log into EvE and tell lies?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1095 - 2014-01-21 22:11:30 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Null has seen nerf after nerf to its income that have only impacted null.

Can you list what these "nerfs after nerfs" have been that are exclusive to null alone?

Remember: I'm using your own standard here. If a nerf is not exclusive to null then it should not be categorized as a nerf to null.


*Forsaken nerf, ended farming via blaster ships.
*Anom nerf, CCP wanted us to fight over the "handful of good anom systems" and so, nerfed the vast bulk of systems to work off truesec.


At the same time that these nerfs happened high sec income was buffed with the addition of incursions for one and SOE ships (plus more high sec level 4 SOE agents) with the other.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1096 - 2014-01-21 22:12:25 UTC
Notorious Fellon wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Null has seen nerf after nerf to its income that have only impacted null.

Can you list what these "nerfs after nerfs" have been that are exclusive to null alone?


He will use his usual response when asked to back it up: "I will dig that out when I get home".

Then he will not return to the thread.


Only I did tell you where to find the info.
TharOkha
0asis Group
#1097 - 2014-01-21 22:15:15 UTC
baltec1 wrote:



At the same time that these nerfs happened high sec income was buffed with the addition of incursions for one and SOE ships (plus more high sec level 4 SOE agents) with the other.


Incursions are not hisec exclusive
SOE missions are not hisec exclusive. (in fact nullsec SOE pays 50% more LPs)

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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#1098 - 2014-01-21 22:16:14 UTC
Seriously guys, I think this thread has gone on long enough don't you? We're all talking in circles and data this, where do I hide the dead hooker that.

If CCP finally nerfed high sec, high sec would be nerfed.

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Silent Rambo
Orion Positronics
#1099 - 2014-01-21 22:18:35 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:

If CCP finally nerfed high sec, high sec would be nerfed.


Wisdom.

You really think someone would do that? Just log into EvE and tell lies?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1100 - 2014-01-21 22:20:49 UTC
TharOkha wrote:
baltec1 wrote:



At the same time that these nerfs happened high sec income was buffed with the addition of incursions for one and SOE ships (plus more high sec level 4 SOE agents) with the other.


Incursions are not hisec exclusive
SOE missions are not hisec exclusive. (in fact nullsec SOE pays 50% more LPs)


Incursions are not run anywhere in null because they attract gangs like moths to a flame.

Nobody outside of the CFC can run SOE missions and even the CFC must deal with roaming gangs and neuts in local, it works out to be better income just doing it in high sec. The few systems are too easily camped to effectively run missions.