EVE General Discussion

Hi to the CCP Devs,

will there be a devblog concerning the fleet fight? Personally I am not much interested in what happened; I have seen the tunnel and walked through it.
I want to see server and performance graphs; client calls that were made and their delay; were the hamsters close to a heart attack?; thoughts and opinions what the issues were e.g tunnel/module unresponsiveness/etc. maybe even compared to 6VDT which had a similar pilot turnout. You know, the technical stuff

I know you have the data and that there was atleast one CCP guy feeding the hamsters RedBull and caffiene tablets.

Greetz

CCP's stance on most major issues is;

"If we ignore it long enough, our clientele will forget about it...."

Notice that the Devs will respond to comedy posts, but refuse to post in any serious discussions. (But since they lock anything negative, those posts drop off the board fast.)

damn you, now you've only gone at got the thread locked

The issues in 6VDT are issues with the playerbase, not with CCP. Next time, don't drop 4,000 ships into a single system until we've got hardware capable of taking it.

Well said, but the retort seems to be that sov is fundamentally broken and mechanics are forcing people to blob. Hum.

Sov warfare is undoubtedly broken, but this one mass orgy in 6V does not warrant a dev response on this long-standing problem. Twisting CCP's arm won't do anything but hurt the game.

The messed up part of it is that everybody knows it a problem, but ignores it (goes for both developers AND the players).

The player's mental view of it is, yes it'll crap at at 10% tidi, but we need the bodies to defend the system, so load it up.

Because if one side doesn't, the otherside decides to load it up. It is an overwhelming force from either onside or the other.

Sad thing is that even if the developers make it so there is no tidi at 4000 ships, they run the risk of people just bypassing that and increasing their fleets even more.

Remember these fights are almost always dogpiles of people beyond the immediate escalating force. Whenever any of these battles happen, everybody and their mother wants to get in on it, and they try because they know everythings running as slow as molasses, but give up Because everything is running as slow as molasses.

Increasing the capacity of the server does not quite fix the issue of dogpiles. They have to redevelop the system so that it does not require a alliance/coalition to dogpile 1 system. There has to be multiple attack vectors, and not the "drop everything at once in this one place" move. There has to be a viable way to make people want to split up their fleet. There has to be some method of system setup to actually discourage the dogpile that occurs.

There is no single "fix" to this, but multiple repairs and changes that have to be done as a whole.

1) sov changes
2) capture methods
3) dps race reconfiguring
4) cyno chains/mass limits

etc etc.

It has to be looked at as a whole, but the primary issue is how sov works. Making it a dps race probably does not work anymore as there is no real cap on the amount of people can flow into 1 battlefield. There has to be reasons for people not to go into the main area of death, there has to be secondary targets that matter so much that a secondary fleet and/or Tertiary fleet would be needed.

But in the end, at least in this case, its SOV. Everything was linked to this one system, and there was pretty much no way the server could take it (I'm not sure if there is anyway any server could take it).

I think CCP at least learned something to add to their node mapping algorithm, i.e. staging systems mapped to the same node as the contested system is probably not a good idea.

The people on this board often act like they're on a permanent menstrual cycle. I'd be very careful what I said too to be honest, sometimes its best just to hide till it clears up.

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