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Why did the EVE Gate collapse?

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Steven Alfrir
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-01-17 20:41:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Steven Alfrir
Hi
Why did the EVE wormhole/Gate suddenly collapse? Because there's no mention of why it happened and in the Eve Universe:Origins video it appeared to collapse in on itself then expand outwards in a massive explosion for no apparent reason.

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Tykari
The Observatory
#2 - 2014-01-17 20:59:17 UTC
Steven Alfrir wrote:
Hi
Why did the EVE wormhole/Gate suddenly collapse? Because there's no mention of why it happened and in the Eve Universe:Origins video it appeared to collapse in on itself then expand outwards in a massive explosion for no apparent reason.


Well the whole EVE Gate thing is a little unclear now. Lorewise there was the wormhole, but there were apparently also two massive stargates, the Earth side named Adam and the New Eden side named EVE, to keep it open/to reopen it after the wormhole collapsed. The trailer doesn't quite show it to be like that, so not sure if that is still the official story or if they changed it to it simply having been a natural occurring wormhole.

But it was the official reason it is known as the EVE gate because they found the remnant of the Stargate structure which had it engraved on it in large letters. The Sisters of EVE dedicate quite a bit of time studying it.

Scientist apparently always knew that the wormhole would collapse and so they prepared for it that way. The gates did what they were supposed to do until one day something massively went wrong and the entire area became a gravitational and electromagnetic hell that destroys anything that gets close to it. Could have been sabotage of some sort, for whatever reason, or simply a tragic accident.

The thing is the whether it was a natural wormhole or two huge stargates in the end, considering the scale we're talking either collapse would likely have resulted in a major cataclysmic event.

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#3 - 2014-01-18 00:45:41 UTC
The story as I understand it is that the wormhole was inherently unstable - it would have collapsed eventually, because wormholes don't last forever.

Terrans built the gates to try and stabilize it - prolong how long the wormhole was open, possibly indefinitely.

When the collapse came, it broke past whatever measures the gates had used to stabilize it and severely damaged and/or destroyed the gate(s).
Teinyhr
Ourumur
#4 - 2014-01-18 14:09:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Teinyhr
There is or at least used to be a hell of a lot of contradicting lore regarding the gate, for one if it was a gate or just a wormhole, but CCP Falcon (I think it was Falcon?) has said that there was two gates and that the other was indeed named ADAM - and that the gate did not lead to Earth unlike many for some reason believe - in the original intro humanity had conquered the whole Milky Way galaxy and stumbled upon the New Eden wormhole in some unnamed system.

Another contradictory bit in the lore is that, somewhere in the previous websites backstory I believe it was stated separately that the wormhole collapsed and then after a couple of hundred years the gates imploded; all ancient stargates shut down in a cascading effect after EVE, which was the main reason fledgling systems could not support each other after the collapse. But in the new wiki timeline it is a singular event - wormhole and the gate shut down at the same time.

And the tinfoilest of things I remember reading about the gate is that it never shut down at all - both gates are still open and that something mind bogglingly terrible happened on the other side of the gate and is still going on 15,000 years later.

Again, best just hope that the EVE: Source will clear this up once and for all.
Steven Alfrir
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2014-01-19 01:50:58 UTC
Teinyhr wrote:
There is or at least used to be a hell of a lot of contradicting lore regarding the gate, for one if it was a gate or just a wormhole, but CCP Falcon (I think it was Falcon?) has said that there was two gates and that the other was indeed named ADAM - and that the gate did not lead to Earth unlike many for some reason believe - in the original intro humanity had conquered the whole Milky Way galaxy and stumbled upon the New Eden wormhole in some unnamed system.

Another contradictory bit in the lore is that, somewhere in the previous websites backstory I believe it was stated separately that the wormhole collapsed and then after a couple of hundred years the gates imploded; all ancient stargates shut down in a cascading effect after EVE, which was the main reason fledgling systems could not support each other after the collapse. But in the new wiki timeline it is a singular event - wormhole and the gate shut down at the same time.

And the tinfoilest of things I remember reading about the gate is that it never shut down at all - both gates are still open and that something mind bogglingly terrible happened on the other side of the gate and is still going on 15,000 years later.

Again, best just hope that the EVE: Source will clear this up once and for all.


Right and btw when do you reckon EVE:Source will be released this year?

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Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-01-19 09:47:43 UTC
AFAIK in March.

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Xindi Kraid
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Arataka Research Consortium
#7 - 2014-01-19 23:21:44 UTC
Teinyhr wrote:


Another contradictory bit in the lore is that, somewhere in the previous websites backstory I believe it was stated separately that the wormhole collapsed and then after a couple of hundred years the gates imploded; all ancient stargates shut down in a cascading effect after EVE, which was the main reason fledgling systems could not support each other after the collapse. But in the new wiki timeline it is a singular event - wormhole and the gate shut down at the same time.

And the tinfoilest of things I remember reading about the gate is that it never shut down at all - both gates are still open and that something mind bogglingly terrible happened on the other side of the gate and is still going on 15,000 years later.

Again, best just hope that the EVE: Source will clear this up once and for all.

I was under the impression the problem wasn't so much the inability of people to t travel in new eden as the fact they were cut off from home. Trading with other colonies is great and all except all of them were somewhat strained for resources so trading won't be of that much help.
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#8 - 2014-01-20 12:44:45 UTC
Teinyhr wrote:

Another contradictory bit in the lore is that, somewhere in the previous websites backstory I believe it was stated separately that the wormhole collapsed and then after a couple of hundred years the gates imploded; all ancient stargates shut down in a cascading effect after EVE, which was the main reason fledgling systems could not support each other after the collapse.


Yeah I read that too.

Also remember that the trailer is narrated, which implies that the character narrating it is doing so regarding to her own point of view. Most of the stuff that happened during the Dark Age is at best remembered as very old and distorted myths.
By extention, what you see on the trailer could be associated with whatever mental image of the events the character is picturing, not necessarily what really happened.


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Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-01-20 14:03:05 UTC
Once upon a time, a big blue doughnut gathered all of its friends to fight another big blue doughnut in the New Eden solar system.

System crashed, gate closed, lots of wailing, arm flapping and running around in circles blaming everybody but themselves.

And that is how the original inhabitants of New Eden came to perish.

The end.

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Teinyhr
Ourumur
#10 - 2014-01-20 14:12:06 UTC
Xindi Kraid wrote:
I was under the impression the problem wasn't so much the inability of people to t travel in new eden as the fact they were cut off from home. Trading with other colonies is great and all except all of them were somewhat strained for resources so trading won't be of that much help.


But some planets were much more hospitable, like the Matar homeworld for example which was originally "a paradise world." There was some advanced infrastructure in place already, like the terraforming facilities in Caldari Prime. If there was any logic behind the colonization effort they would have mapped planets and systems that could support their technology and built production facilities first, and not solely rely on imports from the home galaxy. It would be tremendously costly to ship everything from another galaxy, it would be more economical to set up local production as fast as possible. And they had a hundred years for that, so there had to be some colonies that should have been somewhat self sufficient especially with contact to adjacent systems.

Okay, I guess it would be best not to examine this too closely, because the more stupid the background story sounds the more you think about it.
Jace Sarice
#11 - 2014-01-20 16:07:21 UTC
As others have said, it is incredibly unclear. Hopefully, EVE: Source will have significant new canon and not simply be a compilation of previous fiction that is contradictory.
CCP Falcon
#12 - 2014-01-21 12:48:50 UTC
Esna Pitoojee wrote:
The story as I understand it is that the wormhole was inherently unstable - it would have collapsed eventually, because wormholes don't last forever.

Terrans built the gates to try and stabilize it - prolong how long the wormhole was open, possibly indefinitely.

When the collapse came, it broke past whatever measures the gates had used to stabilize it and severely damaged and/or destroyed the gate(s).


Esna describes it best here, in the loosest of terms.

Also, not sure where the names "Adam and Eve" came up in terms of the names of the gates, but that's something that to my knowledge has never been specified.

Ironically, ADAM is the name of one of our servers for internal testing though Lol

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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#13 - 2014-01-21 12:52:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Altrue
CCP Falcon wrote:
Esna Pitoojee wrote:
The story as I understand it is that the wormhole was inherently unstable - it would have collapsed eventually, because wormholes don't last forever.

Terrans built the gates to try and stabilize it - prolong how long the wormhole was open, possibly indefinitely.

When the collapse came, it broke past whatever measures the gates had used to stabilize it and severely damaged and/or destroyed the gate(s).


Esna describes it best here, in the loosest of terms.

Also, not sure where the names "Adam and Eve" came up in terms of the names of the gates, but that's something that to my knowledge has never been specified.

Ironically, ADAM is the name of one of our servers for internal testing though Lol



My best bet is that the last ship to use the gate before the collapse had an apple in its cargohold :D
Due to the difficulty of transmitting the apple shape and mass through the Quantum entaglement because it had already been bitten, it created a chain reaction that caused the computer of the gates to shutdown and led to the collapse.

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Teinyhr
Ourumur
#14 - 2014-01-21 15:14:48 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Also, not sure where the names "Adam and Eve" came up in terms of the names of the gates, but that's something that to my knowledge has never been specified.


Now really trawling through my noggin' I think it was CCP Eterne who said the other gate was Adam in some thread that was about the Eve gate - whether it existed at all since the eve gate gets used a lot when people are referring just to the wormhole. But I'm not exactly sure how serious he was when he said it.
Tykari
The Observatory
#15 - 2014-01-21 16:21:50 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

Also, not sure where the names "Adam and Eve" came up in terms of the names of the gates, but that's something that to my knowledge has never been specified.

Ironically, ADAM is the name of one of our servers for internal testing though Lol



CCP Eterne has mentioned this. See below posts.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2505286#post2505286

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2567717#post2567717

And while I'm at it. Some other Dev posts (Mostly from CCP Eterne) concerning the EVE Gate.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2208083#post2208083

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2435707#post2435707

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2440283#post2440283

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2110638#post2110638

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