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New Sidekick accounts and only new accounts getting discounts... wtf
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Tori Vahl
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-01-21 12:31:11 UTC
Whats the deal with only ever getting new accounts discounts. I just created some planetary alts on my 3 primary accounts. How bout give me a chance to get those 6 characters discounted memberships since I've already created them. I'm not going to delete them just to get a buddy account going to save some money when I could just apply it to my newly created alts.

This kind of behavior is hitting me like verizon does with there cell phone packages. All the new guys get nice perks or discounts but those of us around for 10 years don't get anything. You want me to give you more money sure, i have not problem doing that, but guess what I'm not going to make 6 additional characters to give it to you when I just created them.

Your marketing department just doesn't get it, allow more money to be spent conveniently even at a reduced rate on existing content and your likely to see more pay out. Not everyone wants to ALWAYS create a new toon just to save a buck when you then have to sit for weeks before that player is useable. Thais not cost effective and is actually just the opposite.
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-01-21 12:35:21 UTC
And why waste money on PI accounts if you could use that money for 60 day GTCs and convert them to PLEX? I don't see the point of this at all.

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#3 - 2014-01-21 12:48:42 UTC
Everytime there is a sidekick sale the past 4 years I've been playing it turns into nothing but whine threads.

In fact......anything CCP does makes a whine thread from someone.

Ugh. If you are unhappy, leave. There is no shortage of games out there.

But it's useless to "tell us all about it".

Complain to CCP because....wtf can we possibly do ?

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Lady Areola Fappington
#4 - 2014-01-21 13:02:19 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Everytime there is a sidekick sale the past 4 years I've been playing it turns into nothing but whine threads.

In fact......anything CCP does makes a whine thread from someone.

Ugh. If you are unhappy, leave. There is no shortage of games out there.

But it's useless to "tell us all about it".

Complain to CCP because....wtf can we possibly do ?



We disagree on like...everything EVE related Krix, but this.

If it's that bad, kick rocks. CCP is a company out to make money. They run these things to make money.

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Billy McCandless
Zacharia Explorations Group
#5 - 2014-01-21 13:53:03 UTC
Tori Vahl wrote:

Your marketing department just doesn't get it, allow more money to be spent conveniently even at a reduced rate on existing content and your likely to see more pay out. Not everyone wants to ALWAYS create a new toon just to save a buck when you then have to sit for weeks before that player is useable. Thais not cost effective and is actually just the opposite.


This just in: Cyno Alts, Spais, Suicide Gankers, Hauler Alts, Market Alts, Advertising Alts, Corp CEOs and Scouts all take "weeks" before they are useful.

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Dyson Veare
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2014-01-21 13:57:50 UTC
The point was the willingness to pay for just created accounts because they were already just created, not to have to make yet another bunch of unnecessary accounts just to get savings.
Dyson Veare
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2014-01-21 13:59:54 UTC
Kind of like the black friday deal for 1$ for a new account on 30 days. Why couldn't they have made a **** load more by given players a 8 dollar sub or something on already active accounts. They aren't gaining because they are not promoting the right sales to the right people. Giving a discount to a to the lowest majority on a Ferrari doesn't mean its going to get bought any more often, but if you give one to someone who has the money to spend, then it will get bought more.
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-01-21 14:08:04 UTC
Dyson Veare wrote:
Kind of like the black friday deal for 1$ for a new account on 30 days. Why couldn't they have made a **** load more by given players a 8 dollar sub or something on already active accounts. They aren't gaining because they are not promoting the right sales to the right people. Giving a discount to a to the lowest majority on a Ferrari doesn't mean its going to get bought any more often, but if you give one to someone who has the money to spend, then it will get bought more.

How does reducing the cost for already paying accounts help CCP make more money?

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
Nuela
WoT Misfits
#9 - 2014-01-21 14:40:50 UTC
It's the age-old problem...

Company wants more customers so they run specials to get those customers...

Existing customers complain...

The proper response for a customer is to realize that the company needs to get more customers and that they will offer incentives to get them. Therefore, be happy the company is doing this because if by trying to get new customers they need to cut their existing incoming cash flow, they may decide that they cannot do this. It is a win-win...you love the game and want to see more join and CCP wants to make money for hookers and blow.

Unless, you really don't care about the company...then quit and find a game you are more passionate about.
Erufen Rito
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2014-01-21 14:43:46 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Dyson Veare wrote:
Kind of like the black friday deal for 1$ for a new account on 30 days. Why couldn't they have made a **** load more by given players a 8 dollar sub or something on already active accounts. They aren't gaining because they are not promoting the right sales to the right people. Giving a discount to a to the lowest majority on a Ferrari doesn't mean its going to get bought any more often, but if you give one to someone who has the money to spend, then it will get bought more.

How does reducing the cost for already paying accounts help CCP make more money?

In his mind 500,000 accounts times $15 is equal to 500,000 times $8. Somehow. Now, if we were talking about dual character training here, I might agree a wee bit with it. But then again, I can afford a plex every 2 hours or so.

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#11 - 2014-01-21 15:01:43 UTC
Why would they give you a discount on something you already purchased?

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

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Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#12 - 2014-01-21 15:10:45 UTC
Tori Vahl wrote:
This kind of behavior is hitting me like verizon does with there cell phone packages. All the new guys get nice perks or discounts but those of us around for 10 years don't get anything.

At the end of your contract, call the RETENTIONS department. Threaten to leave if they don't give you a good package. If you've been around for "10 years" like you claim, they'll suck you off. If they do not, cancel your service at the end of your contract and sign up for a new and better one!

I do this with Rogers every 2 years. It works!

...
Billy McCandless
Zacharia Explorations Group
#13 - 2014-01-21 15:15:55 UTC
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Tori Vahl wrote:
This kind of behavior is hitting me like verizon does with there cell phone packages. All the new guys get nice perks or discounts but those of us around for 10 years don't get anything.

At the end of your contract, call the RETENTIONS department. Threaten to leave if they don't give you a good package. If you've been around for "10 years" like you claim, they'll suck you off. If they do not, cancel your service at the end of your contract and sign up for a new and better one!

I do this with Rogers every 2 years. It works!


I tried this with Virgin media and got a shiny new hub and a small discount

Then realised that I was now locked into a 24 month contract :(

"Thread locked for being deemed a total loss." - ISD Ezwal
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#14 - 2014-01-21 17:32:33 UTC
Whiners gonna whine.

Gripers gonna gripe.

******* gonna *****.

Alligators gonna alligate.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Marsha Mallow
#15 - 2014-01-21 18:54:31 UTC
There's no reason not to restrospectively apply the buddy reward to accounts already in existence, particularly since you can buddy yourself without consequence.

Plenty of questions pop up about this in rookie chat, leaving noobs the option of losing a few weeks to start again (which is understandably frustrating) or suck it up and feel like they were cheated somehow. It's not an ideal intro to a game.

For longer term players, fair enough you should know better: if you didn't google it first and sift through 10k pages of rambling, some tit on a forum will point and laugh if you speak out against it. Longer term players are more likely to grit their teeth, but it's still an annoyance they could do without.

I honestly don't see how obstructing people from creating new accounts in the most cost effective way possible helps CCP establish a positive relationship with the existing or incoming playerbase. Arguably this is more important in terms of long term revenue than the peanuts they derive from the people they manage to unintentionally irritate into quitting.

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#16 - 2014-01-21 20:48:02 UTC  |  Edited by: DaReaper
Erufen Rito wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Dyson Veare wrote:
Kind of like the black friday deal for 1$ for a new account on 30 days. Why couldn't they have made a **** load more by given players a 8 dollar sub or something on already active accounts. They aren't gaining because they are not promoting the right sales to the right people. Giving a discount to a to the lowest majority on a Ferrari doesn't mean its going to get bought any more often, but if you give one to someone who has the money to spend, then it will get bought more.

How does reducing the cost for already paying accounts help CCP make more money?

In his mind 500,000 accounts times $15 is equal to 500,000 times $8. Somehow. Now, if we were talking about dual character training here, I might agree a wee bit with it. But then again, I can afford a plex every 2 hours or so.


I think he means that if say they cut the price for a month, and sent out eve mails to all current and past subscribers, you might be able to turn that 500k accounts into 600k if some people come back. Thus in theory for a month you will make more money and if you retain some of the 100k reactivated account at the normal price then you will still make more money.

However, that Is a huge gamble, as you could gain no new members then for a month you are strapped for cash

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Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-01-21 21:29:44 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
Erufen Rito wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Dyson Veare wrote:
Kind of like the black friday deal for 1$ for a new account on 30 days. Why couldn't they have made a **** load more by given players a 8 dollar sub or something on already active accounts. They aren't gaining because they are not promoting the right sales to the right people. Giving a discount to a to the lowest majority on a Ferrari doesn't mean its going to get bought any more often, but if you give one to someone who has the money to spend, then it will get bought more.

How does reducing the cost for already paying accounts help CCP make more money?

In his mind 500,000 accounts times $15 is equal to 500,000 times $8. Somehow. Now, if we were talking about dual character training here, I might agree a wee bit with it. But then again, I can afford a plex every 2 hours or so.


I think he means that if say they cut the price for a month, and sent out eve mails to all current and past subscribers, you might be able to turn that 500k accounts into 600k if some people come back. Thus in theory for a month you will make more money and if you retain some of the 100k reactivated account at the normal price then you will still make more money.

However, that Is a huge gamble, as you could gain no new members then for a month you are strapped for cash
Humans aren't that stupid ...

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2014-01-21 22:43:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Severide
Batelle wrote:
Why would they give you a discount on something you already purchased?

Interestingly enough my cable company did just that. They called me on the phone and offered me a 25% discount for a year. The same discount they give new customers. This was above the 15% discount I already get for having multiple services.

So I'm down to $300 a month from over $400...

Not a lot when I have Cable, Premium Channels, 2 HD PVR's, 2 Cell Phones, 1 House Phone, 2 Seperate Internet Accounts with 2 Modems and the second highest speed service. I'm happy...
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-01-21 22:54:57 UTC
Doc Severide wrote:
Batelle wrote:
Why would they give you a discount on something you already purchased?

Interestingly enough my cable company did just that. They called me on the phone and offered me a 25% discount for a year. The same discount they give new customers. This was above the 15% discount I already get for having multiple services.

So I'm down to $300 a month from over $400...

Not a lot when I have Cable, Premium Channels, 2 HD PVR's, 2 Cell Phones, 1 House Phone, 2 Seperate Internet Accounts with 2 Modems and the second highest speed service. I'm happy...
A grand example of what is wrong with "modern civilzation".

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
Alduin666 Shikkoken
Doomheim
#20 - 2014-01-22 01:34:30 UTC
Welcome to literally every company that sells some sort of package at a monthly cost.

My credit/debit duo card wont work with companies that have their HQ somewhere not in the US, so I have to pay using game time codes from either Markee Dragon or Eve Time Codes, which is a little bit more expensive.

Quit your whining, it could be worse.

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