EVE General Discussion

*****, I'll cut you.

I used FCon as an example because CFC have no allies over in HB. I'm explaining how the jumps encourage members of your coalition to join and prevent them from leaving if they wanted to.

Can marauders get 3x bomb launcher slots yet? Smash the blobs and drones off the field through brute strength

What exactly do you want CCP to say?

Apart from the numerous tweets during the fight regarding server performance, the many dev blogs over the years describing how TiDi works, the technical details of the servers and how they are configured, what work they are currently doing in regards to reducing lag and improving TiDi for the future, and a number of presentations during fanfest each year.

Seriously, what more can CCP say that already hasn't been said?

The only thing they could say is that it was a bad decision to try and bridge in 700 dreads on a node that already had approx 2500 guys fighting it out, a plague of drones, a mass of bubbles and server already maxed at 10% TiDi.

It was a great achievement by CCP that the server did not crash, unless of course you know of any other game that can have this many people blowing the crap out of each with zero lag or some magical piece of technology that will allow a unlimited amount of players to fight with no lag and that will keep CCP as a profitable company?

Didn't think so

Again I will ask you the same question, what exactly do you want CCP to say?

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Well lets see, until the point of where somebody thought it would be a great idea to bridge in 700 dreads on a node that already had approx 2500 guys fighting it out, a plague of drones, a mass of bubbles and server already maxed at 10% TiDi, pretty sure most people would say whilst not great, nothing unexpected was happening.

We all know, have know for a long time that when you have this many people in system the node struggles, it is not a big surprise.

Now instead of raging how about you answer the question I asked you before, here it is again.

"You know of any other game that can have this many people blowing the crap out of each with zero lag or some magical piece of technology that will allow a unlimited amount of players to fight with no lag and that will keep CCP as a profitable company"

Waiting for that answer

No.
However they can change game mechanics to avoid having the first coalition that bloats the system with numbers to win the fight. Goons used to do it, now N3/PL.
It isn't fun.

As for what they should say, are you kidding me?
What do you think people want?... they want a solution to the sov system.
CCP has mentioned they are working on it... however they have people developing useless features when the most important feature that drives the history of eve is not working properly.

Do you think the current sov system is ok?

Baltec you can pretend that timers are fine and EHP is an issue but that's simply not true. With what you had for HED you might well have beat PL/N3, you at least would have done some serious damage. With timers being so predictable the winner is the group that clogs the system first. The only possible win for you was to leave.

Timers however are only a symptom. The disease is the feeling of entitlement that people have to massive amounts of null without the people to defend the space around the clock.

Ping pong only becomes an issue when the numbers of systems held are more than the number of systems able to be defended based on low population numbers. It makes no sense for people to feel entitled to 1000 systems when at low population times they're only able to defend 300.

It makes no sense for the games sov warfare to effectively shut down for 8 hours purely for the benefit of the US players. It's a single sharded globally shared game and as such sov holding entities should reflect that.

Timers are a failed terrible system. Invulnerability is unrealistic magic WoW crap and the excuse you can't get anyone to defend when your not online makes zero sense when there are obviously people online at those times to attack.

First off I will apologise for my sarcasm. Its just when I see somebody huffing and puffing it brings out the worse in me.

Let look at the problem another way,

To fix this problem there are say 3 main problems, 1 is from a technical standpoint, the other is one of perception and of course cost.

The technical problems are numerous. CCP will never be able to have the infrastructure in place to allow unlimited amount of people fighting with zero lag, it will never happen and that is understandable.

Now you can say x number of people should be able to fight without lag but that we as players will always exceed that number so you need to find a balance, which again is very difficult to do.

What might be acceptable to you will not be acceptable to the next person and so on, where do CCP draw the line?

You have to remember that CCP is also a business so they have to decide what is acceptable from a a cost point of view. It is prudent to spend millions of dollars / euro's / pounds on something which only effects a small percentage of the games population on something which only might happen a handful of times a year?

Then you have perception. People like the idea that having these large battles are possible, its a important selling point of Eve. Many people play to have these large scale fights, s do you want to change the mechanics so that the opportunity large battles will lessen, but less frequent. almost myth in status?

Do you want the mechanics changed in such a way that there is no reason to have these large battles?

As I mentioned before you have the issue of cost. To improve the infrastructure will cost money.. a lot of money. CCP is a business so they need to decide if devoting that kind of financial resource will result in more subscribers. Will they see a return in that investment?

CCP are in a very difficult position where they do not want to change the mechanics to such a point where there are so few opportunities for these large fights to occur that it becomes once in a blue moon event, they do not want to change the mechanics to such a point where all these people who have invested years to have characters who can fly supers / titans become next to useless.

Yes believe and have stated for a long time now that Sov Mechanics need a complete overhaul, I have been saying this for years now, however I also understand the huge complexities of changing this from a technical standpoint, from a perception standpoint, from the standpoint of we do not want to **** off thousands of players who pay us (CCP) a lot of money.

It is a very complex problem, one of which I do not believe CCP have the answer and one that they are struggling with.

I think everyone can agree that the currect sov system is terrible,and needs to be reworked.

I personally favour some kind of system based on activity, and also based on current FW mechanics. I also think the truesec satus of nullsec space should change over time, to encourage alliances to move and conquer new space as their old space becomes less valuable.

I beliee that unless CCP comes up with a cast-iron commitment and timetable for a null-sec rework very soon, we are going to see a steady decline in subs, indeed this looks like it's already happening.

They may be rare but they are a big source of lets say advertisement for Eve. They have a pull that one day you might be in a fight this large and there is no other game where this can happen.

It is not foolish at all. As I have already stated, do they invest what would amount to millions of dollars / euros / pounds in either a complete rewrite of the code to take advantage of all the new technologies and advancements that were not available when Eve was originally written or invest in more hardware for what amounts to a small percentage of the player base for events which admittedly happen rarely but generate more news then anything else.

For CCP to invest so much time and resource to fix this one problem, then other parts of the game will suffer, its inevitable.

So what do you do, neglect all the other aspects of Eve and a large part of the games population whilst trying to fix what is a very contentious issue with no guarantees that in a few months time we as players will be complaining again because we will just dog pile even more people or concentrate fixing many more issues which effect many more people?

As for 1000 v 1000, yes TiDi will kick in but to say it is completely unplayable is false.

I know as I have been in many fights of this size and bigger over the last few months and whilst it is frustrating, it is not unplayable and it is a price I am willing to pay to be able to have fights of this size and complexity.