Player Features and Ideas Discussion

+1 I have 10,000 LP in a faction that I will probably never mission for again. Plus I don't like market math, I'd rather someone just lowball me the value of my LP and reap the benefits of my laziness.

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LP are awarded for loyalty. It doesn't make sense for the corporation in question to payout if some complete stranger walks into the LP store with your loyalty points.

If it doesn't make sense in a lore manner, perhaps allow contract-type exchanges that can be set up. Buyers put up orders in a particular LP store and sellers request the item and use it to fill the contract.

You could have a "corp wide" range, ranges by sec status ("High sec only, high + low, etc), and then limited to a particular station.

We're really concerned with lore here?

So. When I'm in a station there are a group of people maintaining a vast stock of ships (at every station I have LP for) in the form of a store for the faction that station represents. There is a desk with 50 BPCs sitting on it for that tempest fleet issue, and a couple storage lockers full of phased plasma s? So what I'm hearing is: oh no, you'll break my immersion by being able to sell loyalty?

When I get a gas discount for being a loyal customer at my local grocery store all they ask is that the receipt with the discount be used at a participating gas station. I can give that receipt to anyone that wants to save money on gas... I'm not seeing a problem here.

We can already pay CONCORD to ignore aggression against corps. I'm not seeing this as much of a stretch. Besides, my reward for loyalty is the standings not the LP. The LP is just another form currency.

So what ?

Loyalty points are already treated more as a currency than a measure of loyalty. They bear more resemblance to scrip than anything else. It even fits the purpose of scrip, as it's used to pay capsuleers in something other than ISK.
It's not like the lore treats capsuleers as being loyal to anything but their own wallets.


As someone in faction warfare, I've got a list of things I don't like about the current way to cash out LP. All of which can be fixed if there was an LP market, as I could just outsource it all to someone else:
- Deciding which items are the best to cash out with takes more market research than I enjoy. This is the best site I've found to help but the highest sell order ratios are items that probably won't sell and, while the highest buy order ratios are for items that will sell, but if I'm making my own sell order I can often find better items further down the list.
- Even once I've picked an item, I often buy too much of it. Trying to find a good quantity not fun for me, and finding one just means I'll have to pick another item to cash out with.
- FW NPC stations are usually not trade hub stations. Which means that if I want a good price I'll have to either haul the stuff out myself while at war when I know there is usually an enemy or two in the trade hubs I'm flying to or fly it with an alt I do not have. Remember, FW was designed as a way for players to learn PvP. Including players new to Eve who want to PvP, not to haul stuff around.
- Some of the goods, like navy cap boosters, are very bulky. Which means the hauling will need to be done with an industrial. Which many new players to FW will not have trained for a while.

If I could trade LP, then I'd just sell my LP to someone else and let them worry about those details. Chances are they will enjoy the trading side a lot more than I do. Sure, I'll get a bit less for my LP than I would if I did it myself, but that's an acceptable cost for my convenience.

Two other beneficial side effects of an LP market:
- Increased ISK sink from the taxes of the LP market.
- High sec missioners now have more transparency about which corps are more profitable to run missions for, as the ISK:LP ratio is the main difference and it will now be visible. Which will lead to missioners spreading out a bit as where they clump up the oversupply will lead to lower ISK:LP ratios for that corp.

+1, really, lore ?

it makes perfect sense in the land of backstabbing and espionage to sell your loyalty points to others :p
And gives a chance for not everyone that wants to calculate every single LP item...

Here is a better question: Why should the Empires care if the capsuleer spending the LP is the same one who earned it or a different capsuleer who acquired it legally ?

Players won't really care about who they trade it to, only how much the LP is worth. I see no reason to treat them as anything beyond just another item on the market and contracts. Give players an interface they are familiar with. The market and contracts system do not require third party websites to function well.

At most, the only change will be to make the location irrelevant.

-1 from me.

You can't buy or sell loyalty. If you have LP use them up on goods and sells the goods. Having made a choice to run missions for a corp gained you a reward in LP. If that wasn't the best choice then cash in as best you can and move on in my opinion.

This would effectively allow a character to run missions anywhere without having to think who they are running the missions for. I prefer that people have to think about where they mission.

It's not like you're actually buying faction standing, although that precedent is already set thanks to sec status tags.

I would like this just to get rid of the small amount of LPs that I have as leftovers from factions I probably won't mission for again. For example, I have 29 and 130ish LPs from two factions I don't mission for any more. Those LPs will just sit in my wallet, taunting me forever.

You can already sell your faction gear from the LP stores...what's the difference?