EVE General Discussion

You're right about the GD forum, I should have posted in the newbie forums. That's my bad to start with hehe

Anyways, I've learnt what I wanted to which was the goal ;-)

CCP majorly ****** up by putting the CFC staging system on the same node as HED-GP which majorly lagged HED-GP and slowed the CFC formup to a crawl. That's not it though:

The server CAN handle 4000 connections, it's been done before and it performed pretty well. People are mad at CCP because they refuse to fix their code. See, CCP wrote EVE in python and it's single-threaded which means it can only be run on one core at a time, hence why adding servers or other such nonsense you spewed won't work.

The difference between this fight and 6VDT (the other 4000 man fight) is that nowadays the most effective way to fight is to put as many carriers and supercarriers into a system as possible so essentially what it comes down to is CCP needs to find a way to handle 50,000 drones being launched or they need to rewrite their entire codebase so it can be multithreaded.

Basically one side won the fight because the other side never actually loaded the system. They were butchered while looking at jump tunnels and black screens. This is what used to happen 3-4 years ago so rolling back that progress is pretty ******* pathetic and awful.

And of course we come down to the root of the problem. CCP "fixed" the soverigenty system a few years ago in an expansion and haven't touched it since. The only way to fight in such a system is to dogpile as many warm bodies into a system as possible because of their brilliant structure shooting and 3 day timer ideas.

Far from being "dramaqueen" problems (since your coming into this with absolutely no idea what the **** you're talking about I'd generally hold off on insulting the community) these are systemic and fundamental technological and gameplay concerns that are making sov warfare (and the reason a lot of people play the game, not to mention where they get most of their free PR) untenable.

Umm, no it can't handle 4000 ships on the same grid. Looks like CCP fixed enough of their code to keep CFC from crashing the node, which is what they were "trying" to do. Seems CFC's little node crash game backfired and they took it up the a$$.

Oh, I'm sorry, are you still crying? Please go on, we love goon tears.

N3/PL had about 900 in system, they left room for CFC and pets to come in.

CFC dumped 1800 in system, followed by another 1000 all at the same time.

We all know goon means stupid person, but really?

CFC is the one that caused their own problem.

How many dreads did you lose, ~350?

We love goon tears.

Goon comes from goondah, in Hindi (and Marathi i think) and it means thug, or unjust standover gangster.
Confirming gewn tears are delicious and flowing like never before.
Confirming 6VDT was crap, i was there too, it was real.
Real crap.
Zerg alliances break the game and cry, moar at eleven.

As far as fixing the issue that happened in HED, many suggestions have been made.

The first is to improve hardware and software. As far as hardware goes, CCP already has the fastest clocked core you can get. Unfortunately eve is coded in such a way that the best they can do is run one solar system on one core. CCP cannot spread one solar system's load over many cores. (If they could, and allocate them dynamically, this issue would go away.) Apparently recoding eve to work that way is huge effort; years and years of work. Do we all want to wait that long?

CCP can also clean up the current code. That has been happening. 5 years ago a 300 vs 300 pilot fight would have been large enough to cause the issues that were just seen in HED. The next step is something called "brain in a box" which (I think) offloads the computation associated with jumping into a system from the server running that system.

The other way suggested to deal with the issue is to somehow change game mechanics to discourage using huge fleets. But so far every suggestion Ive seen for actually changing the mechanics does not do that. You look at the specifics of the suggested change and ask "is it still advantageous for at least one side to bring the biggest fleet they can?" and you get a "Yes". And then the other side will want to respond with the biggest fleet they can muster.

Or the suggested change has some other fatal flaw. For example:

Limit pilots in the system. Result: Whoever get there first with their huge fleet wins. (We sort of have this situation now.)

Friendly fire. With a huge fleet you tend to shoot your ships. This requires a vast increase in server calculations and would most likely lag out the system even if it did get smaller fleets.

Multiple goals in multiple systems. The invaders need to attack in several places at the same time to win. Here the issue is the defenders would only need to stop the invaders at one place to win. Result: the defenders bring in their huge fleet, and the invaders would have to respond in kind or lose.

There is some old doctrine in naval combat: The strength of a fleet is proportional to its size squared. To take on a 500 ship fleet with two fleets (separate battles) you need a 300 ship fleet and a 400 ship fleet. This seems to be valid for eve too. Like its a Fundamental Law. That might be why making a game mechanic to get around it is so hard.

1. Newsfeeds talking about awesome big space battles attract lots of new players who spawn in hisec schools and never actually see a big space battle but do spend lots of RM on subs and PLEX.

2. The system actually cannot handle awesome big space battles.


1 + 2 = Big Dilemma for CCP

Oh you crazy internetuals. A dictionary is for controlling language, and merriam-webster is the vaguest, shallowest dictionary there is. Didn't even have kenobi in it at all, which general knowledge tells us is early 20th century gangster slang for expert.
Before reading this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goonda it's important to build yourself a picture of how England and India have affected each other linguistically, a picture that would explain why some really great written english comes from India.

How is this relevant? Who cares? New pilots are seeing a wall of forum sperg about how crowd scenes make the game spew into its own lungs and i feel like the only guy to ever miss out on battles because the gewn blob turned up.
Blob warfare reached the limits of the hardware couple years ago, tidi is pretty clever actually but clever is never any match for MOAR IS WORSE tactics.

TLDR: LEETISTS ZERG A NODE, AFFECTING TINY NOISY FRACTION OF SPACESHIP PILOTS

THIS HAS NEVER BEEN SAID BEFORE

Oh wait