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Brutix for exploration - need some advice on fitting.
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Thomas Marciduous
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-01-20 18:26:11 UTC
I've starting playing again after a few months of inactivity, and I'm looking to have a go at exploration. It will be in hisec for now, but I will move into low/null later on. I already have a Brutix which seems like a decent ship for this purpose.

This is the fitting I've come up with so far:

[Brutix, Exploration Brutix ]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Reactor Control Unit II

Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Analyzer I
Codebreaker I
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

385 DPS plus 72 for drones. Optimal is just over 2km. Armor resistances of 67, 57, 57 and 40.5%, 40.7k total EHP.

I also made another fit using 200mm railguns instead of blasters. It does less DPS but has greater range (about 12km) and uses less power, so I can drop the powergrid rig for a different one (another trimark?)

EVE is like a woman. She requires time, patience and money, but when you satisfy her, the rewards are beyond belief.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#2 - 2014-01-20 18:30:35 UTC
Can you take BCs into high sec sites? I'm not sure, but when I tried some exploration in high sec, I used a LM Hawk and it was pretty fast. I only tried about 4 sites but the player cruisers I encountered were scared off pretty easily for some reason and I think I got about 150m isk in loot. It just takes ages to destroy structures, that's the only problem.

Oh god.
Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
#3 - 2014-01-20 19:16:20 UTC
Brutix? For hi-sec exploration? u b trollin?

On the of chance you are not, it's a rather poor choice. You'd be better served using an Ishtar if you only have Gallente skills. If you got Amarr skills as well, then a Stratios is an even better choice - has a probe bonus and can enter 3/10s. If you lack skills for either, then a Gnosis is probably your best bet (again probe bonus).

Also, you'll need a Cargo Scanner if you want to do Hack/Relic sites with any chance of profitability. Though Relic sites in hi-sec are fairly worthless and tend to be harder to scan down. So you might consider ditching the Analyzer for the Cargo Scanner.
Sid Crash
#4 - 2014-01-20 21:31:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Sid Crash
You don't need a probing bonus in high sec, you can find 4/10 and Vigil sites just fine with astrometrics 1 and no rigs, modules or sister silliness. And yes, a BC can enter high sec sites; 4/10, Lookout, Watch and Vigil sites.

Can a Brutix do it? it could but not with a fit like that, don't fit plates and if you go against Serpentis you want at least 350 dps tank to them, preferably a bit more. You could also use a Shield Navy brutix fit which I posted a few days ago. However, you're best off to use a sentry Myrm like this one.

[Myrmidon, Explorer Serpentis]
Corelum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Cap Recharger II

[empty high slot]
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
Small Tractor Beam I
Core Probe Launcher II, Core Scanner Probe I
Drone Link Augmentor II

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Anti-Kinetic Pump I
Medium Anti-Kinetic Pump I

Hobgoblin II x5
Garde II x4
Warden II x3


An EHP shield Ishtar would be ideal though, those are the best for this.
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#5 - 2014-01-20 23:52:34 UTC
Gila is where it's at.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#6 - 2014-01-21 00:15:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Tauranon
Navy vexor for gallente pilots who can't fly ishtars.

Vexors for those that are cheap - a rail/sentry vexor can outrange the towers in the blood ded 4, and it can kill the serpentis phi overseer on approach, which kills the dps in the pocket sufficiently to go loot.

Brutix won't fit into ded 3s. Whilst ded 3s are random for value, some days thats all you find. The best payout I ever got from a serpentis ded 3, was 450m, so they have their good days too...

If you must rail it, then I'd use a vigliant and refit it to get rid of the probe launcher before entering, obviously again thorax for people that are cheap.

Obviously the droneboats can far more easily accomodate not bothering to remove the probe launcher.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#7 - 2014-01-21 00:30:22 UTC
Thomas Marciduous wrote:


[Brutix, Exploration Brutix ]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

385 DPS plus 72 for drones. Optimal is just over 2km. Armor resistances of 67, 57, 57 and 40.5%, 40.7k total EHP.

I also made another fit using 200mm railguns instead of blasters. It does less DPS but has greater range (about 12km) and uses less power, so I can drop the powergrid rig for a different one (another trimark?)


Don't buffer fit ships that PVE. The brutix has a good buffer for highsec pve content, it needs magnetic field stabilizers for more damage and more resistances (rat specific) for more efficient repping.

I never found the blaster brutix to be particularly good at exploration. in fact the only thing it was good for was taking the loot at the telescope after the opponent tagged it, for the simple reason that very few people engage an angry brutix.
Selaria Unbertable
Bellator in Capsulam
#8 - 2014-01-21 01:55:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Selaria Unbertable
Riot Girl wrote:
Can you take BCs into high sec sites? I'm not sure, but when I tried some exploration in high sec, I used a LM Hawk and it was pretty fast. I only tried about 4 sites but the player cruisers I encountered were scared off pretty easily for some reason and I think I got about 150m isk in loot. It just takes ages to destroy structures, that's the only problem.


You can enter 4/10 with a BC, and some unrated complexes, but that's it. That is why most explorers stick to HACs since T3 can no longer enter DED complexes in high sec.
I agree with Tauranon so far. A vexor based hull (especially the ishtar) is currently the best choice in serpentis and guristas space, and a good choice in all other, if you manage to fit a proper tank. A BC on the other hand is a poor choice. Not only will you be limited to 4/10s and some unrated sites, but you are slow as hell, and everyone in cruiser/HAC with an mwd will take advantage of that. Believe me, it's what I would and actually do ;)

Tauranon wrote:
Navy vexor for gallente pilots who can't fly ishtars.

Vexors for those that are cheap - a rail/sentry vexor can outrange the towers in the blood ded 4, and it can kill the serpentis phi overseer on approach, which kills the dps in the pocket sufficiently to go loot.

Brutix won't fit into ded 3s. Whilst ded 3s are random for value, some days thats all you find. The best payout I ever got from a serpentis ded 3, was 450m, so they have their good days too...

If you must rail it, then I'd use a vigliant and refit it to get rid of the probe launcher before entering, obviously again thorax for people that are cheap.

Obviously the droneboats can far more easily accomodate not bothering to remove the probe launcher.


I know what you're talking about, the last two days felt like "Serpentis Narcotic Warehouse" days, lots of them. And I start to dislike them, just because of the annoyingly high number of pesty frigates buzzing around. But I won't complain, the payout is sometimes better than expected.