Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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If they are massive enough to affect planets by being in system, then a mass of 10 would be devastating let alone 100 of them.

Mass titan blob should force a negative effect in system that makes using them (up to a set point) a diminishing return investment.

If one goes down- jump in a replacement, but keep the numbers in check to reduce server strain. (I know.. .it's the drones fault for server lag, just read the idea)

Mass Titan blobs should cause WH affects and crap out everyone's ability to shoot/repair/target/cap recharge.

This can be taken to the extreme for super control of system numbers. One Titan in Fleet for the 255 other pilots and the titan negates the effects it causes with a limit of 10 or so titans in the system. All others pilots are affected by the system WH-style debuffs and result in less ships on-grid - less lag on the node.

If the titan in the fleet is popped, all pilots in that fleet feel the effects of the system state until the number of titans on system are brought back into check.

Of course you can bring in 100 titans in the system, but the negative system affects will make it so that the investment becomes worthless.

Say there are 10 Titan fleets active in the system. That's 2560 players going at one another without any system effects.
Bring in titan number 11, and the system feels its first affect, say 10% reduction in all shields, armor,and hull HP for every ship in the system - same as W-space. for the players not in the fleet with a Titan, the effect would be Titan number 20 at this point.
Bring in another, and another affect kicks in, say 10% reduction in Cap recharge and cap transfer.
Titan 12, 20% Cap reduction for recharge/transfer
Titan 13, 30% Cap reduction for recharge/transfer
Titan 14, 40% Cap reduction for recharge/transfer
Titan 15, 50% Cap reduction for recharge/transfer
Titan 16, 10% Drone hp/tracking/range reduction -Plus 50% Cap recharge rate and cap transfer efficiency
Titan 17, 20% Drone hp/tracking/range reduction -Plus 50% Cap recharge rate and cap transfer efficiency
Titan 18, 30% Drone hp/tracking/range reduction -Plus 50% Cap recharge rate and cap transfer efficiency
Titan 19, 40% Drone hp/tracking/range reduction -Plus 50% Cap recharge rate and cap transfer efficiency
Titan 20, 50% Drone hp/tracking/range reduction -Plus 50% Cap recharge rate and cap transfer efficiency
etc...
...
Titan 100... No armor repair, no shield repair, no cap transfer, 90% reduction in shield capacity, 90% reduction in armor HP, range and falloff 500% normal (except drones because we all hate drones, right?) 500% weapon damage bonus, and loss of ability to cyno into the system and stargetes go offline into the system.

Yeah - things will die fast in a fight with 100 Titans, but that's the idea. It's not worth it to blob with supers is the system cannot take the stress.


The mix and type of system affects can and should change based on specific game mechanics. Say you drop an Amarr titan on the field first. Then the system affect follow a specific pattern based on Amarr. This would encourage the use of a Titan to set the battle escalation parameters and buffing affects, but discourage the blob of titans.


You get the idea.
I like big fights, but I hate lag more. The sandbox has reached its pilot limit and there is no sand for you.

This would allow for some very interesting mechanics to use in large scale fights. Do you commit more titans at the cost of possible reduction in capabilities? Can you use this mechanic to harm your opponent more than yourself? Should this be limited to Titans? Super capitals in general cause this affect, but at much higher numbers?

Titans have always been viewed as the end game ship for pilots to strive for because of their perceived cost and capabilities. CCP has not found a counter to their proliferation besides nerfing tracking and limit DD use to capital ships. After HED-GP, we need another mechanic to bring fleet sizes back to manageable game play.



TL;DR: Lots of Titans force system wide affects like a WH. Being in a fleet with a Titan negates these affects up to a specific number of titans. More Titans means worse affects for the system to fight eventually leading up to conditions of rapid ship loss brawl fest.

They are not worthless if you use them correctly - as described - to negate affects of the system against fleets that do not have a titan in their fleet.

Up to a set point.

This encourages the use of titans, but discourages the blobbing of said titans.

I could be wrong, but i thought that supercaps usually flew around in their own fleets without any pesky subcaps. It helps to keep out spies and awoxers if you are required to ante-up your own supercap to get into the fleet.

No it doesn't, it discourages the use and no amount of word spin you can put on it changes the fact that your idea is simply punishing the 2000ish people that have titans.

For what, because you have crappy FC's that cost you a dread?

When I read the title, I imagined cynos with a mass limit. Left disappointed.

Even 100 Titans have less mass than a small asteroid like Phobos (Avatar * 100 is 2.2B tons, Phobos is ~50B tons (if I haven't made a calculation mistake)), and Phobos has no noticeable effects on Mars, which is even smaller than Earth. The only thing that can affect local space would be a device on titans, not titans themselves. Period.

Maybe CCP should put some effort into fixing the lore and/or fixing the game's objects, such as moons/planet/star stats and appearance, ship model size, etc , instead of wasting it on meaningless deployables.

If only this was the case...

Much rather than meaningless, controversial new modules and dwarf step-by-step POS experiments, I would prefer to fly in a universe with this as a red giant system, for instance.

Actually it pushes forward the idea of ''this system's titan'' and the spreading out of titans. I love it. The problem isn,t the quantity of supercaps as much as the blobbing of them.

Not to nitpick... but you should read the lore a bit more closely (even visit the wiki tech page). There are two types of Titans; the ones we have ("Promethian Class Titans") and the ones that only the Empires have access to (the "moon sized ones" that require entire planetoids to build)... the latter being several orders of magnitude bigger.



Also... your idea discourages fights involving Titans rather than "spreading them out."
History shows that if groups are not allowed to (or can't) bring in overwhelming force... they won't come at all. And if there are ill effects for performing too much of a certain action, players will figure out PRECISELY what the optimal numbers are and go right up to that threshold. Failing that, they will push it as far as it can go and hope the affects are worse for the opponent than for them (e.g. lagging out the system when you know you cannot win).