EVE General Discussion

So what you want is the X-series?

My point is that it's not a good idea unless the point of your game is to create a self-going automation empire.

The OP's problems are already solved in EVE: it's called “other players”.

Thank you for clarifying. I played the X-series up to Re-union, I wouldn't say it's totally automated but there is a heavy element of automation, more particlulary e.g. in setting up factories.

On the OPs three points I would say that they are not clearly defined issues.

The first just seems to be tautological and putting the conclusion before the argument.

The third I don't even understand what point he is trying to make.

Too much automation can easily be a bad thing.

What makes EVE special is the wide range of "professions" you can specialize in.

Be a pvper, miner, trader, builder, hauler/freighter etc. The list is long.

These days I could not bother to mine again, ever. But I bought my first Apocolypse with the isk made in a 0.5 belt
using a maller+miner II's+ratting.
But I appriciate the amount of effort some guy/gal puts in to building and seed a battleship, carrier,
etc on market on a larger scale.
I might have made isk on loot from pvp. My isk end up in a industrialist pocket so I dont have to "waste my" time
doing the "logistics run".

We are dependent on eachother, like a society. And thats what EVE Online is all about.

"At best, EVE is like speeding around in a stolen Pinto... vintage cannonball cannon ducttaped to the roof... your arm around the shoulders of a dead hooker... and 20 guys armed with frying pans chasing you down on vespas. At worst... it's EXCEL spreadsheets in space."
~ Unknown


OP... since this game basically spawns infinite resources over the long term, basic flight does not require any fuel, and money can be easily farmed there needs to be a way to create REAL VALUE for things in EVE. The Developers decided that value would be "time."

Using your own hauling example...

Moving around goods yourself doesn't have any real cost outside of time (you just need the ship to haul with). You don't want to spend that time moving stuff around. In fact... you may want to pay someone else to do it for you.
This is how professions and employment niches are born.

This "time sink" also creates logistical hassles for large groups as the more stuff that needs to be shuffled around, the more time needs to be set aside to performing the task. This is one of the major things limiting "power projection" in the game.



That said... there are basic automation tools at your disposal OP. The auto-pilot function will take you all to the way to your chosen destination and it is a lot slower and riskier than piloting yourself (auto-pilot will warp to each stargate along the way at 15km and "slowboat" to it, leaving you open to being scouted).

It is a series of tubes. Those tubes can be filled and if they are filled, when you put your ship in, it gets in line and it's going to be delayed by anyone that puts into that tube enormous amounts of ships.

As soon as you used the word 'crafting', I knew EVE was not the game for you.

EVE is about the players. The less automation, the better, because the whole idea is that it is the players that put in the effort. There are too many players in this game already who automate things with bots and the like, and a player on automation is little more than an NPC if you ask me, who has not got the same claims to New Eden that a player has.

No important things are click-fests.

Yup, that's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.

Missions? Not important. Hacking? Not important. The stuff I'm doing? Well, I can't be a hypocrite. The stuff I do certainly is not important. For the most part, all the important things in EVE are pretty much as streamlined as they need to be. Heck, with all the streamlining that's been happening to the market interface in the past years, the market is almost too streamlined. Owned orders highlighted? Right click > Modify straight from the details window? Scrolling to play the 0.01 ISK game?

Autopilot buttons to align, orbit, keep at range, even one that warps AND jumps in a single click... not a truck, you say? You kids need to get off my lawn.

Hmmmmh, okayhh........................?

But yeah, youre right, EvE its not a truck, eve its like an old fashioned 1965 Ford Mustang, it hasnt traction control nor abs not assisted direction nor... it just has horsepower, its up to you to learn to drive it, just a pure true driving experience.


You can go back to wow now.

EvE has toilets


Trucks don't have toilets.

The glovebox can look like a toilet


But thats a good way to get told "Get out of my truck"