Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No to warp, yes to cyno. Using a cyno as a beacon so that everyone in system can see the marked location inside of a DDC would make things interesting. Remove the ability to warp to them when they are lit inside a DDC, either have it dump you out just outside or just flat out refuse the jump, but keep the light up to everyone in system via overview. If you try and warp to them from outside the DDC via overview then your warp is interrupted at the edge of it and you fall out of warp just inside. This way there is a system to alert folks to others that are in a DDC, adding risk, and a reason to draw fleet fights together inside these things. As awesome as it is to have a huge space where everyone is sensor blind, having no focal points is going to make them seem very empty even if they are chalk full of folks.

Have other beacons that individual ships can drop to mark a path as well, breadcrumb idea again, but they disappear on once off grid. So there are two options, a boat load of beacons (that probably should take up a bit of space so that people cant walk around with thousands of them) that are hidden unless stumbled upon or a cyno that everyone can see.

You are referring to a static area, which is used in EVE precisely because it makes bookmarks possible.

Make the cloud area something filled with currents instead.
Ref currents from this post in this thread.

Slower ships would be unable to reach any area surrounded by currents moving faster than they were able.

Next step: Deny all warp into points inside the region. Yes, it would be possible to fly towards a static point by slowboating, but only a live orientation point can reliably bring you to your fleet mates, instead of a now empty spot where they had been earlier.

I think simplicity is the key.
Said it before, will say it again.

For something like this to work, it has to be "walk before you run, or even, crawl before you walk".

If CCP actually incorporates this idea in any form, I would hope that they would tell the sub base "OK, we are fooling with a new concept that may take some time to flesh out. We are dumping the most basic construct on Sisi, and we will keep overhauling this "sandbox within a sandbox" over an extended period of time, testing what works, and what doesn't. We NEED your help to figure it out, so test it, and tell your friends to test it."

When I was living on the Sisi server in wormholes pre-Apochrypha, I can't remember how many times we had a POS up one day in a wh pocket, only to find the wh was wiped clean the next day as CCP overwrote the whole environment. And we were totally cool with it, because we understood CCP was working hard to get it right.

That is how CCP should approach this concept, if they do it all.

Further, I would suggest this:

IF CCP can figure out the coding, just dump the cloud/zone/whatever you want to call it, ON TRANQUILITY, but ONLY the very bare bones. Do this in parallel with more elaborate Sisi tetsing. Imagine these clouds start randomly appearing in systems. There is nothing, and I mean NOTHING, in them. Just an area where d-scan does not work, where warping does not work. There is no PvE incentive to go in there, and the only reason to go into one is to hide ships. The only people initially using them would be PvPe'rs, for whatever reason. I imagine some would go in just for the trill of hunting each other.

Then slowly, over time, the conditions in there might change, as CCP overwrites the code, and starts adding PvE incentive, and tweaks the environment conditions, based on Sisi feedback.

This whole concept the more I think about it, no matter how simple I would like to see it stay, can never be expected to be perfect and whole out of the box immediately. CCP HAS to take it slow, with small iterative steps.

One more +1 from me Dinsdale for that last post, that could be awesome to have just bare bones cloud on TQ while Sisi would be evolving, more and more fleshed out version of it. And I bet pvp crowd would love those clouds for hiding effect alone.

Yeah, I thought that having these work as a giant warp bubble would also be a possibility (that has to be VERY VERY carefully considered, because the original thrust was to create a dangerous environment that people chose to participate in, not get dragged into) , even in high sec, but that is not something that should be considered on the 1st iteration.

The majority of the Eve sub base does not read the forums.
If a giant warp bubble started appearing randomly in any security zone, especially high sec, the outcry would be insane, and not a good kind of insane.

On the other hand, people start seeing this giant rather benign cloud randomly appearing, players will start picking up on the fact that there is a new mechanism in town, and will start learning about it. And if some time in the future it does start having more impact, players are more aware.

Bump!

On the topic of warping

TL:DR
Warping warps you randomly, "Warp To" only works if your close enough.



I agree that as soon as you have a "warp to" option, then it will get farmed. But slowboating isnt a real option for most larger ships. Although this would be an excellent use for the marauders new MJD bonus.
What if you can warp, but only small distances, so if you were close to your fleet, then you could warp to. This could be something that is balanced over trial and error and easily adjustable. Large fleets would sit on the edge of the space, so that allies could jump to them, but still be hidden (could make the waiting game more fun for the fleet if the space moves).
Maybe a new option to just warp, without a destination. This would warp you a random distance, to a random location. Warping this way could warp you out of it, or just as likely warp you to a new part of the (insert name of feature). This way you wouldnt be stuck in it, but you wouldnt have an easy out. Balance it with chance to warp out vs chance to warp to other part of same cloud.
Doing it this way would make it impossible to explore thoroughly, but gives you an option besides slowboating, but slowboating would still be a safer and more thorough way of exploration. Maybe some sites could only be found by slowboating to encourage it.

Hopefully some of those people can make decisions in CCP.

I think from the discussion here most of the key elements for the actual regions already exist to lash together in a rough mock up.

Scan and warp inteference regions? Check (Eve gate, mission areas etc)
Damaging environmental effects? Check (from missions)
Debris fields to hamper navigation? Check (again from missions)
Nutcases willing to fly into who knows what hell awaits them? Check Check Check (recursive.....)

Still not sold on the ability to warp inside the DDC. This may be better governed by the use of the new mobile jump drive units. Anyone can find them in space and use them to jump any direction. This would mean that groups of explorers could perform an organized search by aligning with objects and jumping in a known direction. This would allow for someone skilled to lay down a network of named units (via save location) that they can align to to activate the mjdu's. Others can still use them but are flying into the unknown even more when they jump in a random direction.

I would certainly figure out how to access the test server to play with this environment should a POC be built.

Hidden mineral depots, with an energy reservoir that lasts no longer than 12 hours after the Dinsdale Phenomenon Cloud has dissolved into the mysterious nothingness from which it came, after that everyone can scan it down and steal your precious hard earned mineral treasures.

Well that or ventures. Really, I can only think of something like the venture when someone talks about mining in such a hazzardous location.