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Arty Thrasher and Ganking in Hi-Sec ?
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Elena Ranning
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#1 - 2014-01-19 18:35:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Elena Ranning
After all the recent changes, can I suicide gank a T1 indy (iteron V or smaller) with a T2 arty Thrasher in hi sec?

I heard a blaster catalyst can do it but i am way ahead in minmatar and projectile training and going for basters and catalyst will cost me another month.

Is the rupture a second best choice?

Please let us not discuss tornados in this thread and keep it to destroyers and cruisers.

Based on your ganking experience in hi sec, what do you think?

Thanks.
Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#2 - 2014-01-19 19:16:17 UTC
Elena Ranning wrote:
After all the recent changes, can I suicide gank a T1 indy (iteron V or smaller) with a T2 arty Thrasher in hi sec?

I heard a blaster catalyst can do it but i am way ahead in minmatar and projectile training and going for basters and catalyst will cost me another month.

Is the rupture a second best choice?

Please let us not discuss tornados in this thread and keep it to destroyers and cruisers.

Based on your ganking experience in hi sec, what do you think?

Thanks.


I gank miners in Catalysts, not Thrashers, but I'm pretty sure you can kill untanked T1 haulers with a Thrasher pretty well. Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong. I've never heard of anybody ganking in a Rupture, but go ahead and EFT it. If the numbers work then give it a try.

If you have your Gunnery support skills trained for your Thrasher, then cross training to a Catalyst should only take a few days, not a month. That said, Catalysts aren't ideal for killing haulers on gates and stations except in large groups because they can't tank sentry guns and they have very short optimal range, requiring good scouting and a warpin.

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Amarr Empire
#3 - 2014-01-20 13:40:50 UTC
I believe the thrasher is widely used for shuttles and other low EHP stuff so that the pod can be caught too.
It might work well for the T1 indies.
check http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/01/thrasing-and-vexing.html for a guide to these activities using thrashers and vexors. The site has a ton of other ganking info and it might be worth having a chat to some of the people in the minerbumping channel as they are very helpful.

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Elena Ranning
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#4 - 2014-01-20 18:17:03 UTC
Thanks.

Do you know what is a good tank fit for a scooper alt for that Thrasher? Say he's flying an iteron V. He will flash yellow in hi sec as soon as he loots.

Shall i go for shield extenders or active adaptive invuln. or...?
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#5 - 2014-01-20 18:28:21 UTC
Elena Ranning wrote:
Thanks.

Do you know what is a good tank fit for a scooper alt for that Thrasher? Say he's flying an iteron V. He will flash yellow in hi sec as soon as he loots.

Shall i go for shield extenders or active adaptive invuln. or...?

I would think its more important to get the pre-align right than actual fit for the scoop ship, if you get grabbed you are toast anyway so its about not getting grabbed. Better to practice approaches on wrecks' or can's and pre-align instawarping the instant you drop the loot in your cargo. That being said inertia stabilizers make aligning faster

Would you like to know more?
Kristopher Rocancourt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2014-01-20 18:43:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Kristopher Rocancourt
Elena Ranning wrote:
After all the recent changes, can I suicide gank a T1 indy (iteron V or smaller) with a T2 arty Thrasher in hi sec?

I heard a blaster catalyst can do it but i am way ahead in minmatar and projectile training and going for basters and catalyst will cost me another month.

Is the rupture a second best choice?

Please let us not discuss tornados in this thread and keep it to destroyers and cruisers.

Based on your ganking experience in hi sec, what do you think?

Thanks.


No.
Use a Moa instead.
see my lossmails in link below for fit.

As for a combo scanner/scooper
the fit below is good to use.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=20919327

http://killalliance.co.uk/tears/tears-holeysheet/

Elena Ranning
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#7 - 2014-01-20 21:23:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Elena Ranning
Kristopher Rocancourt wrote:
Elena Ranning wrote:
After all the recent changes, can I suicide gank a T1 indy (iteron V or smaller) with a T2 arty Thrasher in hi sec?

I heard a blaster catalyst can do it but i am way ahead in minmatar and projectile training and going for basters and catalyst will cost me another month.

Is the rupture a second best choice?

Please let us not discuss tornados in this thread and keep it to destroyers and cruisers.

Based on your ganking experience in hi sec, what do you think?

Thanks.


No.
Use a Moa instead.
see my lossmails in link below for fit.

As for a combo scanner/scooper
the fit below is good to use.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=20919327


The Exequror fit which you use as a scooper/scanner alt only has ~1,900m3 in cargo space.

Do u think that's enough for hi sec ganking?

I am looking for an iteron V scooper with similar mechanics as your exequror.
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-01-21 00:50:22 UTC
I would be willing to call this the only legitimate reason for core stabs.
Mr Blah Blahson
Doomheim
#9 - 2014-01-22 09:26:04 UTC
Problem with core stabs is, you want to max out cargo.

Pre-aligning is the best bet, although if you're pre-locked it's hit or miss.
Mortis Betruger
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-01-22 12:03:45 UTC
Kristopher Rocancourt wrote:
Elena Ranning wrote:
After all the recent changes, can I suicide gank a T1 indy (iteron V or smaller) with a T2 arty Thrasher in hi sec?

I heard a blaster catalyst can do it but i am way ahead in minmatar and projectile training and going for basters and catalyst will cost me another month.

Is the rupture a second best choice?

Please let us not discuss tornados in this thread and keep it to destroyers and cruisers.

Based on your ganking experience in hi sec, what do you think?

Thanks.


No.
Use a Moa instead.
see my lossmails in link below for fit.

As for a combo scanner/scooper
the fit below is good to use.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=20919327


I would like to hear more about using a Moa for high sec T1 Indy ganks.
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-01-22 12:54:30 UTC
Don't use a Moa, use a Vexor. The tank of the Moa doesn't help you further than you can tank a vexor, which is until you get killed by CONCORD anyway.

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Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#12 - 2014-01-22 14:30:11 UTC
Autocannon thrasher can do it, but only if the target hauler is untanked and autopiloting.

Who put the goat in there?
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-01-22 14:46:33 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Don't use a Moa, use a Vexor. The tank of the Moa doesn't help you further than you can tank a vexor, which is until you get killed by CONCORD anyway.



On thrashers and vexors, an article from the good ppl of minerbumping.com: http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/01/thrasing-and-vexing.html
Paranoid Loyd
#14 - 2014-01-23 06:29:07 UTC
Shederov Blood wrote:
Autocannon thrasher can do it, but only if the target hauler is untanked and autopiloting.


The fit is quite particular as well.

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Elena Ranning
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#15 - 2014-01-23 06:53:06 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Shederov Blood wrote:
Autocannon thrasher can do it, but only if the target hauler is untanked and autopiloting.


The fit is quite particular as well.


Artillery works too on a thrasher for ganking, right? Gives more range too. Anything special about the autocannons?
Paranoid Loyd
#16 - 2014-01-23 07:00:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Elena Ranning wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Shederov Blood wrote:
Autocannon thrasher can do it, but only if the target hauler is untanked and autopiloting.


The fit is quite particular as well.


Artillery works too on a thrasher for ganking, right? Gives more range too. Anything special about the autocannons?


You need to determine if more damage is done with the alpha of the artillery or the ROF of the autocannons.

I've learned to trust beiber, if he says autos, you use autos. He has rarely been wrong.

As to your range comment, they need to be autopiloting, so range is irrelevant as there will be time to fly right up to them and start face melting.Twisted

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