Player Features and Ideas Discussion

i disagree with that statement on the fact that the high sec gankers from the code alliance have killed several freighters varying from 0.5 to 0.9 systems with nothing more then 10-25 destroyer class ships (catalysts / thrashers) which costs no more then two talos's at the most shared across several pilots compared to a 1.1-1.2bil freighter and whatever the value of the drops. while others may not follow the same ship composition for ganking it is purely down to them as everyone likes flying different things.

compared to null sec high sec is a lot safer but it isnt 100% safe and suiciding can occur in almost any ship you fly apart from cloakers unless you mess up and the thing for freighters in my own personal opinion is that they are just paper bags nothing more but it would be nice if they were made a little more sturdy to compare to the overall price you have to pay for them even if it was something like 1 low slot at least then you could throw a damage control In there

I think we're talking about different things here. I never said that there are at ton of freighter kills including just pyerite; I said that it would be profitable to gank those freighters (if only slightly)

My argument is that the penalty is to low because the math says it would actually be kinda difficult to fill a freighter without making your ship profitable to gank. The only thing that saves your ship is the fact that there are people who fill their ship way past profitable and keep going, so the gankers are probably waiting for someone more stupid to come along.

You seem to be operating under a false supposition. Just because freighters can carry a lot of cargo doesn't mean they are supposed to carry a lot of valuable cargo (and even common minerals can be considered valuable cargo). That is to say that if you decide to load up your freighter with billions of isk in cargo, CCP has no intention of you to being safe in doing so, especially not in 0.5 systems.

They earn a profit despite the Charon being empty?

Wat.

I believe he was referring to it in a WarDec fashion: 5-6 Tier 3 BC's for 1 Freighter is a good trade for the killboards.

Reworking the Freighters is the best call. How about Jump Freighters comparable to the Rorqual with a Ship Maintenance array just have limits on the ship size, and jump clones. You bring some defense with you and it Synergizes well with the Rorqual and Orca. Maybe a nifty reinforced mode where it stops moving and just buffs its tank and hopes it's defenders can save it or Concord. Requires Stroth like a POS shield.

P.S. also a big fan of races getting special holds like the industrials.

P.P.S. Think...... Dana Carvey Turtle.... that's all I'm saying.

There are plenty of ways to prevent ganks. Three have been mentioned in this thread, if you read them - in-corp allies providing instaweb warping, out-of-corp allies in ECM boats, out-of-corp allies in logistics ships. The last two are less useful in wardec situations but if you haul in a freighter while under wardec you deserve what is coming to you. (Same thing if you haul with killrights against you, whether they be public or private KRs).

Or you can use a different ship. Sometimes a freighter is the wrong tool and a JF is the right tool, even for high-high transport - if you are taking a 10b load from Jita to Dodixie, you might want to JF it to Archee or Sharuveil or (in a very quiet time on the server) Decon, then fly it in bypassing Uedama and surrounding systems entirely. Sure, you are technically as vulnerable in Balle as you are in Uedama, but I have only ever seen one freighter gank in Balle and I spend a lot of time ganking in that system.

Freighter pilots have lots of choice. They choose their allies. They choose whether or not those allies are allowed into their corporation. And they choose who they tell and do not tell about their movements.

Im sorry are you arguing with my math? Are you saying it isnt worth suicide ganking a freighter worth under a billion? because I just ran the numbers and they will surprise you.

The fact that nobody does it is because there are a limited number of people out there willing to suicide gank, and the stupid people who put 2 billion in their freighter are protected by the even more stupid people who but 5 billion in their freighter who are protected by the even more stupid people who put 20 billion isk in their freighter.

The invisible hand of the market isnt perfect because people dont always do what is in their best interest. If they did, the break even point for gankability would settle in around 2,000 ISK/EHP or so.

TL;DR
Just because it doesnt happen doesnt mean it isnt profitable, it just isnt AS profitable as ganking someone more stupid.

Consider also, the reason people aren't ganking freighters full of Pyrite, is because the industrialists who are dealing large enough to need that are smart enough to not do it, since not many people really need that much.

So... are people still having difficulties in understanding the concept of a capital ship vulnerable when flown alone ?
As said above, use a stasis alt, problem solved.

If you want to be able to do stuff alone, do not use a capital ship. By definition.

If this is true, then why is ganking more popular than ever? If it was actually more expensive, wouldn't FEWER people be doing it, and wouldn't the 'floor' value of gankable targets have gone UP?

Since neither of those statements is true, I call 'bullshit' on that kind of reasoning.