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Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2014-01-20 11:01:03 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEJbwZCgNgU&t=1h15m25s

Taking a while, because it requires /all/ the underpinning for skill checks and so on updated.

Building character information is one of the heaviest things that happens, and it happens on every:
jump
refit
ship death
undock

Brain in a box offloads that, by having a dedicated server for it. Jump in, and no/little recalculation is needed, with the character info just being handed over in a bundle.


The destiny dispatcher will take the client updates and hands that off to a different thread to deliver. Sure, it's not as multithreaded as it could be, but it avoids some of the more serious issues with multi-threading (Race conditions are difficult to manage, when you have code that's very dependant of what people do.)



Basically the plan is.. to make the server have an architecture as minimally decent as would be done by just graduated students...

That is the very MINIMAL level of decoupling any such server should have. MINIMAL!!!

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Lugalbandak
Doomheim
#62 - 2014-01-20 11:01:17 UTC
leave the blobs mate , join fun in FW for example , pew pew total lag free and you need real skills to pvp Cool

The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back
Alduin666 Shikkoken
Doomheim
#63 - 2014-01-20 11:06:23 UTC
HA RusRus loses HED so they blame it 100% on CCP and unsub. I consider this tears and will drink them happily.

To give OP a serious answer, the reason it got locked was because you were ranting (i.e. complaining about how **** is wrong and not providing any constructive criticism), just like the ISD said . . . weird.

Also even if you weren't ranting, "I'm quitting Eve threads" belong in the 'My Eve' section of the forums. Reading rules before rushing to the forums to complain is hard.

And lastly, one does not quit Eve, especially after 8 years. I'll see you in the next year or so.

Russians man.

Honor is a fools prize. [I]Glory is of no use to the dead.[/I]

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Xortica
Horizon Eventus
#64 - 2014-01-20 11:06:45 UTC
Lugalbandak wrote:
leave the blobs mate , join fun in FW for example , pew pew total lag free and you need real skills to pvp Cool

I join this game for fleet battles, gank is not fun for me
Rhatar Khurin
Doomheim
#65 - 2014-01-20 11:08:22 UTC
No matter how good servers and hardware they use, it will never be enough. Unfortunately i think we will all have to accept the game cant really handle more maybe 6000 in a system fighting.
Lugalbandak
Doomheim
#66 - 2014-01-20 11:10:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Lugalbandak
Xortica wrote:
Lugalbandak wrote:
leave the blobs mate , join fun in FW for example , pew pew total lag free and you need real skills to pvp Cool

I join this game for fleet battles, gank is not fun for me


i was not talking about ganks , more like smaller fleets , was HED not one big GANK? Blink

anyway yeah , if you like fleet fights upto 4000 you got a problem to have fun , but at the other hand , there is no other game for it what i can think of.

o/

The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#67 - 2014-01-20 11:12:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Caldera
original poster blued 2/3 of eve, blobbed 700 dreads, wanted easy titan kills, got slaughtered instead because he forgot to take server capabilities into account and is now cancelling subscriptions because of "CCP fail". lmao.

Btw. cancelling subscription isnt enough, you have to trash your assets and biomass all your characters to show them you're serious, otherwise one could think that you're just rage ranting.

Xortica wrote:

just calm down.
I help a lot of new pilots for this 8 years, but now it's broken, i can't see another way to tell it to CCP and new players who read ''MAss PVP" and , 'you can change everything' . You can just spend your time looking your enemy shooting you and you can't do anything. But 'server works fine' (c)

there are limits to the hardware and sofware and you are running against them, noone is to blame but only you.
The fight in HED-GP showed that everything IS possible, N3 withstand 2/3 rest of eve coalition and you be dying like a herd of lambs falling off a cliff, everything is possible you are just on the wrong side of the gun and now p*ssed, bad for you.
Xortica
Horizon Eventus
#68 - 2014-01-20 11:22:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Xortica
[quote=Robert Caldera]original poster blued 2/3 of eve, blobbed 700 dreads, wanted easy titan kills, got slaughtered instead because he forgot to take server capabilities into account and is now cancelling subscriptions because of "CCP fail". lmao.

We are talking not about war, but about broken game mechanic where HED-GP is example.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#69 - 2014-01-20 11:26:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Caldera
Xortica wrote:

We are talking not about war, but about broken game mechanic where HED-GP is example.


its not broken mechanic, you all simply overloaded the server far beyond limits what would you expect?
Jumping into that blob is always a ****** idea, was it new to you after 8 years of eve? You wanted hed-gp that bad that it disabled any form of common sense or intelligence? Or was it just greed for revenge and easy titan kills?

Same happened in F4R before as your coalition sat with 100 chimeras and 2000 subcaps under a jammer. Guess why N3 didnt try to take on that? Because it was pointless and would result in a total defeat, same reason why you should've stayed away from HED last saturday.
Hell Ball
Doomheim
#70 - 2014-01-20 11:27:16 UTC
Xortica wrote:
[quote=Robert Caldera]original poster blued 2/3 of eve, blobbed 700 dreads, wanted easy titan kills, got slaughtered instead because he forgot to take server capabilities into account and is now cancelling subscriptions because of "CCP fail". lmao.

We are talking not about war, but about broken game mechanic where HED-GP is example.

The wrecking ball fleet was on grid an Hour before the fight and then you cyno your dreads into that mess on the SAME GRID with them with everthing else. HTFU
TharOkha
0asis Group
#71 - 2014-01-20 11:27:40 UTC  |  Edited by: TharOkha
Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:
HA RusRus loses HED so they blame it 100% on CCP and unsub. I consider this tears and will drink them happily.
.


So are you completely OK with current sov mechanics? This time CFC lost. Next time it could be you. Just because there is no HW that can handle such big figths and because sov warfare simply sucks.

Xortica wrote:
Lugalbandak wrote:
leave the blobs mate , join fun in FW for example , pew pew total lag free and you need real skills to pvp Cool

I join this game for fleet battles, gank is not fun for me


Interesting, i atend fleets with power of 20-60 ships and we fight with fleets with similiar numbers.

95% of EVE works just fine. Its just sov warfare that is horrible.

And sorry, but those videos of 2000 vs 2000 ship fights are absolutely boring. it looks like AFK blob party and not fleet fight.

CODE. Venture hunt contest in a nutshell
Mangala Solaris
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#72 - 2014-01-20 11:28:57 UTC
Xortica wrote:
If it impossible, why CCP tell about mass pvp etc.as feature? Looks like lie



I managed to create mass pvp for some 1500 pilots on Saturday, so mass pvp does happen as advertised.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#73 - 2014-01-20 11:29:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
CCP made it clear that a sov rework won't happen anytime soon and that the move towards more parallel server code runs at a snail's pace.

Meanwhile the developments leading straight to this situation (end of the MHz race) have been known for years, in fact EVE fell into the very last generation of games that could reasonably be built on the assumption that single cores would get faster and faster as by 2003 (when EVE actually launched) the race was already over.
If EVE development had started in 2003 instead of 2000 things would probably look rather different now.

CCP had 10 years time to react to this changing environment. But instead of doing so they continued to deny reality - instead of reworking their codebase during those years they put effort into sourcing overclocked pre-series CPUs to delay the inevitable. Even the extra 2 years they bought themselves with TiDi once the problems could no longer be worked around with better hardware did apparently go unused.

If you play EVE for large-scale fleet warfare the only reasonable course of action is to quit.
This issue has been known since the day EVE was released to the public and hasn't been fixed in the 10 years following that day, it has been acute for > 2 years and CCP hasn't done anything about it and if you are holding your breath for a timely solution then you are a fool.

CCP already catered to the "fix spaceships" crowd for the past 2 years, now the "Jesus features" crowd is vocally demanding their turn and neither sov reworks nor backend improvements are part of their agenda.

.
Alduin666 Shikkoken
Doomheim
#74 - 2014-01-20 11:36:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Alduin666 Shikkoken
TharOkha wrote:
Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:
HA RusRus loses HED so they blame it 100% on CCP and unsub. I consider this tears and will drink them happily.


So are you completely OK with current sov mechanics? This time CFC lost. Next time it could be you. Just because there is no HW that can handle such big figths and because sov warfare simply sucks.


We lost our sov about 6 months ago, where have you been?

And about the Sov mechanics, no I don't think they are OK. A lot of people don't think they are OK, but it's the same as TiDi; as soon as someone comes up with a different mechanic that makes since and doesn't just ***** about how bad it is on the forums, it will do. It is a hell of a lot better than the old POS sov mechanic.

I was referring how badly RusRus played the battle out. This battle happened to be over a timer and OMG OMG OMG OMG THIS PROVES THAT CURRENT SOV IS BAD AMIRITE? Don't put words into my mouth, it just makes you look stupid.

Honor is a fools prize. [I]Glory is of no use to the dead.[/I]

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Xortica
Horizon Eventus
#75 - 2014-01-20 11:59:35 UTC
Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:
TharOkha wrote:
Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:
HA RusRus loses HED so they blame it 100% on CCP and unsub. I consider this tears and will drink them happily.


So are you completely OK with current sov mechanics? This time CFC lost. Next time it could be you. Just because there is no HW that can handle such big figths and because sov warfare simply sucks.


We lost our sov about 6 months ago, where have you been?

And about the Sov mechanics, no I don't think they are OK. A lot of people don't think they are OK, but it's the same as TiDi; as soon as someone comes up with a different mechanic that makes since and doesn't just ***** about how bad it is on the forums, it will do. It is a hell of a lot better than the old POS sov mechanic.

I was referring how badly RusRus played the battle out. This battle happened to be over a timer and OMG OMG OMG OMG THIS PROVES THAT CURRENT SOV IS BAD AMIRITE? Don't put words into my mouth, it just makes you look stupid.

So i one of this people, and i vote with my money, because other ways not work at all
Prince Kobol
#76 - 2014-01-20 12:01:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
TharOkha wrote:
Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:
HA RusRus loses HED so they blame it 100% on CCP and unsub. I consider this tears and will drink them happily.
.


So are you completely OK with current sov mechanics? This time CFC lost. Next time it could be you. Just because there is no HW that can handle such big figths and because sov warfare simply sucks.

Xortica wrote:
Lugalbandak wrote:
leave the blobs mate , join fun in FW for example , pew pew total lag free and you need real skills to pvp Cool

I join this game for fleet battles, gank is not fun for me


Interesting, i atend fleets with power of 20-60 ships and we fight with fleets with similiar numbers.

95% of EVE works just fine. Its just sov warfare that is horrible.

And sorry, but those videos of 2000 vs 2000 ship fights are absolutely boring. it looks like AFK blob party and not fleet fight.



Jesus.. nobody is saying that Sov Mechanics are good, hell I have posted enough times that Sov needs a total rework, most people who have and do live null will say that Sov Mechanics suck, however in this instance, the OP is crying because his alliance and friends made a massive ******** decision and are now crying that is is CCP's fault.

The first mistake was to lose all their pos's on 7 moons in HED-GP (not 11 like is mentioned in the -AAA- After action report) so they couldn't cyno jam the system.

Then they went with the idea to drop 1000+ Domi's on a cap fleet of about 800.

Then when there was approx 2700 in local, TiDi at max, they decided to try and drop 700 dreads right in the middle the **** storm.

Surprise Surprise the node had a major melt down, although props to CCP for managing to keep it alive.

Of course dropping that many ships on grid with thousands of others whilst TiDi is maxed out is going to cause problems.

They could dropped those dreads off grid and given them time to load. Its not like the wrecking ball fleet was going anywhere considering they bubbled.

So yeah whilst Sov Mechanics do suck major balls and is in desperate need of a major overhaul, it is still not CCP's fault that a small group of people made a number of major stupid decisions.

There has been a quite a few opportunities for N3/PL to make similar mistakes but they took the server performance under consideration in their planning and have decided against doing stupid like trying to bridge in hundreds of ships into a system which is already under max TiDi on grid with thousands of other ships.
Tebizla
#77 - 2014-01-20 12:05:22 UTC
Xortica wrote:
Lugalbandak wrote:
leave the blobs mate , join fun in FW for example , pew pew total lag free and you need real skills to pvp Cool

I join this game for fleet battles, gank is not fun for me


Then you simply need to accept the way things are.

Leaving or not, it won't speed things up, no matter how hard you keep beating the "I'm gonna unsub" drum. I'm pretty sure you won't unsub.

Obviously not a forum / spy / market alt ...
Alduin666 Shikkoken
Doomheim
#78 - 2014-01-20 12:11:53 UTC
Xortica wrote:
Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:
TharOkha wrote:
Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:
HA RusRus loses HED so they blame it 100% on CCP and unsub. I consider this tears and will drink them happily.


So are you completely OK with current sov mechanics? This time CFC lost. Next time it could be you. Just because there is no HW that can handle such big figths and because sov warfare simply sucks.


We lost our sov about 6 months ago, where have you been?

And about the Sov mechanics, no I don't think they are OK. A lot of people don't think they are OK, but it's the same as TiDi; as soon as someone comes up with a different mechanic that makes since and doesn't just ***** about how bad it is on the forums, it will do. It is a hell of a lot better than the old POS sov mechanic.

I was referring how badly RusRus played the battle out. This battle happened to be over a timer and OMG OMG OMG OMG THIS PROVES THAT CURRENT SOV IS BAD AMIRITE? Don't put words into my mouth, it just makes you look stupid.

So i one of this people, and i vote with my money, because other ways not work at all


Something tells me that Google translate isn't working for you.

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Xortica
Horizon Eventus
#79 - 2014-01-20 12:12:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Xortica
i was ask before. ask again. Why node die everitime n3\pl super in trouble. I can remember some ccp member give t2 bpo to bob, it can be done again or something similar (we allknow some ccp play as PL). Why our sovereignty was off by CCP GM but he can't do it with n3\pl (he say way n3\pl get it - was a bug) ?
Why doomsday work as clock when all others can't do anything? Who first enter system - win?
Xortica
Horizon Eventus
#80 - 2014-01-20 12:13:47 UTC
Tebizla wrote:
Xortica wrote:
Lugalbandak wrote:
leave the blobs mate , join fun in FW for example , pew pew total lag free and you need real skills to pvp Cool

I join this game for fleet battles, gank is not fun for me


Then you simply need to accept the way things are.

Leaving or not, it won't speed things up, no matter how hard you keep beating the "I'm gonna unsub" drum. I'm pretty sure you won't unsub.

already did. i wrote already i have 6 days before this account will expire