Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This is not dissimilar to the comparison of light neutron blasters (S) to heavy electrons (M), or heavy neutrons (M) to electron blaster cannons (L).

Particularly on drone boat brawlers it's actually advantageous to fit guns one size smaller than the hull would naturally demand, since there are no gunnery bonuses to skew the numbers.

I have seen the dominix fitted with light guns and warriors being used as an anti-frigate ship in FW systems.

What if they add a small # to base capacity, like 2, so a t2 RLML holds 20 missiles. Then create rigs that add +2-3 missile capacity? That way its a compromise between more missiles without sacrifice, but also giving more missiles for base stats. So if you think you may run across a cruiser, add a rig or 2 for additional capacity, bringing the total to 24-26 if you add 2 rigs. Yes, you sacrifice tank, but thats the point.

Rig drawback would be like any damage rig calibration, and increases CPU cost of launchers. This way, some scrub with t2 launchers doesn't get max capacity, and have max tank. The RLML as is it sits now is very strong for those 18 shots. I've killed 2 frigs within 1 reload, and had 7 missiles left. Granted, they were t1 frigs, but you have to be careful on the capacity, too much and these will decimate frig gangs without proper sacrifice on the fit, from just a single boat.

I think I might have finally found a legitimate use for the rapid light and rapid heavy missile launchers, and it actually ties-in another dead-end weapon system. The caveat is that CCP Rise needs to implement a change:

• Rapid Light Missile Launcher: "Used with (chargegroup) Light Defender Missile"
• Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher: "Used with (chargegroup) Heavy Defender Missile"

The rapid launchers can now fulfill an anti-missile role in PvP and PvE, and with their insane rate of fire I imagine they would be quite effective in a combination offensive/defensive roll. They still need a 55% ammunition capacity increase, though.

Thoughts? CCP Rise, was this just an oversight when the rapid light missile launcher was introduced? Because I don't see any reason why a "light launcher" can't handle "light missile" ammunition. Players don't use defender missiles for a variety of reasons, but the slow rate of fire of light and heavy launchers would be at the top of my list.

Yes, 1.1 will be landing very soon. Rise has also stated that he is working on:

Ammo switching - which is being problematic
Reload Timers - these will be a fantastic UI update as it will probable cover all modules that have a reload or cooldown timer.
Balance of the rapid launcher weapons - these are just tweaks.

I'm guessing that at best we will see some balance tweaking on the launchers in 1.1 and if a 1.2 gets released we may see the other two updates then. But these are all being worked on. I don't see the need to constantly post in this thread moaning all the time. The weapons do work. They do have glitches that need fixing and the balance may be a little off but they are still useful.

On a side note. The more I look at missiles and how to fit your ship to use them the more I am convinced that they are currently in a very balanced state. **Dons flame retardent clothing**

But but but... at the moment in order to mitigate damage with a defender missile you have to give up a corresponding outbound missile. So while you are reducing your enemy's firepower, it is at the expense of your own.

This may be useful if you're bait but utterly useless in any other circumstance unless your ship has spare, unbonused missile launcher slots and another effective means of delivering damage. So I guess a typhoon or loki may benefit during some engagements, and some of the recons when tackling tengus... but this seems to be a very narrow application.

Considering the current, extremely limited amount of missile boats being used in Pvp, would defenders even be worth carrying?

In my view for defender missiles to work, they need to have a seperate launcher with the same power and cpu as the current tracking disruptors, with an additional small application change

In effect they serve the same role as Tracking Disruptors, mitigateing damage by applying debuffs to the user of them. Back in 2007 when i was still a newbie, they already had defender missiles. I knew NOTHING about pvp, and only read the descriptions of the ships, their roles and pondered about there uses in pvp. I wanted to fly the FLYCATCHER so much. Not because of the bubbles, i didn't even comprehend its tactical uses yet, but i wanted a small platform with many many launchers to spew out many many missiles to defend the incomming fleet against missiles.

How dissapointed i was when i realized that defender missiles only worked if they were shot at you instead of the fleet. A part of me still wants to fly the Flycatcher in that role

Many people think that the Caldari Navy Hookbill is extremely powerfull, due to its ability to fit scram web tracking disruptor, propulsion mod and a tank, especially when sporting with rockets. Most of those people are in ships useing guns as a primary weapon.

With creating a new midslot module that activates defender missiles for one specific ship, instead of all the ships shooting at you, you can litterly fix Most if not all things broken about the defener missile.

If it is considered as a ewar module instead of damage module, and will be able to get respective bonuses for that (eg. 7.5% damage, speed and rate of fire of the module would be a base stat) scriptable to increase each of its statistics (obviously cruises, torpedoes, and capital missiles need a lot more missiles to kill then a rocket, so damage is important. Speed is important cause it allows you to intercept the missiles faster, and rate of fire is also important cause face it, if your faceing a ship with an rate of fire bonus, you don't want to be spewing defender missiles out slower then its shooting its offensive missiles.) You will end up with a proper alternative against Missiles. Thus paveing the way for more missile enhancing mdules as well (Tracking enhancer / computer equivalents)

I told you that would be the kind of change they would make. They are painfully predictable if nothing else.

And unstickied. See you on the other side.

The issue is still hot I see.

I took the RLMLs off my BC because, while my DPS with drone mods was almost that of HMLs, the 40 second reload time was simply too much.

Look, the idea of a "swarm launcher" is great and if they just called it that and said that's what it's now for, OK. But otherwise is a mega-nerfing and no admission to that.

The problem is not overall the reload, it's having to switch ammo. But at this point I don't think there's anything I could add to this thread and say anything that's not already said.