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A sentry drone Dominix or a Kronos for group pve

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Kry Meariver
Kry Meariver Corporation
#1 - 2014-01-20 02:31:02 UTC
In a very short time I am going to be training into either a sentry drone Dominix (high skills) or a Kronos (a marauder based upon the Megathron). The primary intended use is for any group pve in any security level of space. After consulting Eve-Mon, it's going to take only 7 days of difference in the training time given where I am now, so that's not much of a consideration. Can somebody explain to me the pros and cons of running these two ships for pve situations? Since this is Eve, also consider the inevitable possibility that some baddie scans my group down and pays us a visit.

A Kronos primarily deals kinetic and thermal damage with its guns while a Dominix just switches drones as the case may be. A Kronos is also considerably more expensive but it has bastion mode and can micro warp drive jump around more. The main thing I need to know is what is more desirable in a fleets? On paper I have put the two side by side and see the differences, but I am too new to know how they actually work.

Any help is appreciated.
Paranoid Loyd
#2 - 2014-01-20 03:35:53 UTC
Being able to sit in a ship is much different than being able to fly it effectively, you will be able to fly a Dominix effectively way before a Kronos. That being said you are probably no where near being able to fly either effectively if you are not able to sit in it yet, make sure all of your support skills are good and you can at least fit a tech II tank before flying a battleship.

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Ras Al-Gul
My My Miya
#3 - 2014-01-20 05:37:15 UTC
Different play styles.

Sentry domi = micro jump drive away from the targets groups, drop sentries and manage their targets until clear.

Kronos, you will land and pop into bastion mode, blasting them as they come, if it gets dicey(shouldn't)U mid away and repeat.

I would recommend that domi tho, the drone skills will help most other ships BC and larger.

Also price difference is a factor, you will lose ships, its inevitable, domis are cheap and can do any mission/pve u want.


But, like other people have said you need the skills to fly them properly:

T2 drones
T2 armor tank
Excellent(lvl4-5) navigation skills
T2 gunnery and support skills
Max fitting/cap skills
Max targeting skills
Etc etc, more skills I'm missing, research is your friend.
Keno Skir
#4 - 2014-01-20 08:20:45 UTC
As mentioned above, if you are 7 days from sitting in a Domi, you are several months from effectively flying a Merauder.

Get the Domi since you will lose it learning your first hard battleship lesson, better than losing a 1.3Billion ISK Merauder.

Also you will attract a bit less attention in a domi should you take it into lowsec (not much less, i'd still come looking for you). Flying a Merauder into anywhere other than hisec is like walking through Helmund Province with a Rolex and a Stars & Stripes hat. People (I) will call their friends out of bed to come kill you.

Please buy the Domi, or at least send me the killmail shortly after u get the Kronos :D
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#5 - 2014-01-20 08:21:11 UTC
For last few months I run angel anoms in null with duo of these.

[Dominix, spider armor]

Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
4x Drone Link Augmentor I
Large Remote Armor Repairer II

Large Micro Jump Drive
2x Sensor Booster II
2x Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

4x Drone Damage Amplifier II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
2x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Large Ionic Field Projector I
Large Drone Control Range Augmentor I
Large Egress Port Maximizer I

5x Bouncer II
5x Warrior II

I warped both ships at 100km, dropped sentries, domis locked each other and provided rep/cap as needed. It may be that actual fit I used was slightly different in rigs area but I am not sure, can't remember now.

Anyway with my skills one of those does 700dps, locks things at 157km with drone control 150km, reps around 220dps and has 12+ min of cap when chained which is way more than you need for high end anoms. No implants, no links.

Pros: no ammo costs, MJD as GTFO, just sit and blap all red crosses
Cons: I have pretty high skills (gal BS V, sentries maxed out) so those values may differ and fit may require to drop some mods.

But you said group pve so spider tanking domis should qualify :)

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Keno Skir
#6 - 2014-01-20 10:18:42 UTC
^ Note how even an experienced player in nulsec is still not using Kronos'.

Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#7 - 2014-01-20 11:11:26 UTC
Oh Keno, aren't you sweet calling me experienced :)

Thing is my duo domi cost maybe 500mil or sth like that (I didn't really pay attention to exact prices) which equals few hours of plowing through anoms to get even, anything else is a profit because no ammo cost (if you lose your sentry with that fit that is a sign you are doing something terribly terribly wrong), no damage projection problems, just sit still, lock rats and press F (auto aggro is sh!t because not all rats shoot at you from 100+ km and time is money so you do it manually).

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Kry Meariver
Kry Meariver Corporation
#8 - 2014-01-20 12:44:17 UTC
Ok, it looks like a sentry drone Dominix is the far better choice. Could somebody comment on how useful this a high skilled player in a regular or Navy Issue Dominix is in an incursion? I know it will take time, but I intend to get strong skills for this ship. Is it possible to use it as both shield and armor tanked?
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#9 - 2014-01-20 14:26:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Noxisia Arkana
Drone boats are not good for incursions because generally you will have to keep moving. Sometimes Rattlesnakes are brought in as an ancher because they have enormous tanking capability.

Most incursions are shield based for the DPS mods that opens up in the lows. The only 'gallente' based ship that gets invited regularly is the pirate battleshp (Vindicator). A sniper Hyperion can also get an invite, but only when the fleet is low on people.

If you are going to spider tank your domi's you could train into a logistics cruiser.

You can shield fit a Dominix or a Navy Dominix but since mid-slots are at a premium on Gallente ships it is much more difficult. Generally those fits require fitting skills + implants + deadspace modules to get an adaquate tank. The upside is that you end up with a lot of space to fill with damage mods. If you are remote repairing I you will still end up using slots for capacitor regen modules.

If you are teaching new players what L4 missions are like bring a RR (remote rep) domi with an osprey or augorer - you can keep an untanked destroyer alive in any L4 with any decently skilled pilot. With some fitting magic you can bring an osprey that can local & remote rep at the same time in a L4.

edit: please note being able to 'sit' in a dominix does not mean it will perform well for you. When I was skilling armor, drone, cap, and gun skills I effectively have seen my DPS move from about 200 to 1100 on the same dominix hull. If you are intensively skilling into a single battleship with the hope of PVE at around 15 million SP they start to come into their own. Before that it can be a struggle.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#10 - 2014-01-20 15:16:34 UTC
I think you have to set your goals straight about what you want to do and than look for a ship to do it. Incursions are completely different beast than L4 missions or null anomalies.

In anoms you warp in, kill everything, warp out.

In missions you travel to destination system, warp to mission pocket, move between rooms of that pocket and gates can be really far away from warp in point, do whatever mission requires you to do, warp out of mission and travel back to agent. Even mission in same system with single room are usually not as straightforward as anomalies are.

And you have incursions with their own meta and blinged fleets and competition and drama.

Each of those requires at least slightly different tools/skills/environment so in my opinion you should first decide what you want to do and then find a ship suitable for the activity. Technically you could do all of it in a sentry domi but it doesn't mean it will be as efficient or fun as dedicated ship with dedicated fit. You can put miner lasers on domi too but 500k venture will probably beat you with ore yield you will get for your time.

And don't take it as a bitter vet rant but as an advice from somebody who tried a few different things over last 2 years in Eve and if I knew what I know now I wouldn't make some choices/mistakes I did. In the end decision is yours and you should always do what YOU want to do but if you want an advice that would be mine.

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Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-01-20 18:49:02 UTC
Also something that nobody said so far:

You cannot receive any remote assistance while in Bastion mode, which is bad for group PvE.

(Although theoretically you could patch people up between each cycle - no idea whether the boost to survivability from Bastion is enough to make that feasible.)
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#12 - 2014-01-20 19:43:59 UTC
You can give remote assistance while you're in bastion. Since your tank is rediculous and you can only fit 4 guns it is actually a good remote rep boat (with a 6 or 8k range).

You can't get assisted (which you won't need), but you can GIVE assistance to others.