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New player is seeking his first good spaceship

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Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#21 - 2014-01-19 23:05:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Omega Sunset
I don't know what racial ships you plan to train, but if it were Caldari, I'd say kestrel first few days (for career agents). Then caracal attack cruiser for a couple weeks (lvl1-lvl2 missions and sisters of eve epic arc) while you train Drake for lvl3 missions. After a few months when you have your core skills up start training for a T1 raven. After you have spent 3-6 months on the raven buy a CNR (Caldari Navy Raven) as you further improve your battleship skills. After that you would train towards Marauder or train other things depending on what more you want to do. Marauder... probably more towards Incursions. Or back to cruiser/battle cruiser training and take your Drake or T3 cruiser into lvl4 missions or DED sites. Or further train frigates for PvP and/or factional warfare mission running. Just a lot of options, really.

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I looked into "starshop" in the game and ship's prices are quite interesting:

- standard battleships - circa 170 mil. ISK
- Marauders - 1.0-1.2 bil. ISK
- Black Ops cruisers - 0.85-1.3 bil. ISK
- heavy assault cruisers - 200 mil. ISK
- heavy interdiction cruisers - 250-320 mil. ISK
- recon cruisers - 150-220 mil. ISK
- strategic cruisers - 160-200 mil. ISK

In sum Marauders and Blac-Ops Cruisers are several times more expensive than remaining vessels!


There are no Black Ops "Cruisers". Don't worry about prices, when you have the skill you will be able to afford fleets of them. I did two lvl4 missions last night in high sec and roughly made 100m in total from mission payout, LP's, loot drop and salvage. Some missions pay better than others of course.

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Dani Dusette
Division 13
#22 - 2014-01-19 23:13:10 UTC
Ultor Rapax wrote:
I looked into "starshop" in the game (I am now in Duripant VII moon 6 Federal Navy Academy starbase) and ship's prices are quite interesting:

- standard battleships - circa 170 mil. ISK
- Marauders - 1.0-1.2 bil. ISK
- Black Ops cruisers - 0.85-1.3 bil. ISK
- heavy assault cruisers - 200 mil. ISK
- heavy interdiction cruisers - 250-320 mil. ISK
- recon cruisers - 150-220 mil. ISK
- strategic cruisers - 160-200 mil. ISK

In sum Marauders and Blac-Ops Cruisers are several times more expensive than remaining vessels! Shocked

And that's just the hulls! Smile

Can be double, triple or even more when you factor in everything you fit the ship with.

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Ultor Rapax
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2014-01-19 23:24:43 UTC
Is it possible to have multiple vessels (my own fleet) and flying them simultaneously as one character?
Dani Dusette
Division 13
#24 - 2014-01-19 23:37:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Dani Dusette
Ultor Rapax wrote:
Is it possible to have multiple vessels (my own fleet) and flying them simultaneously as one character?

One character - no.

You'd need to multibox multiple characters at once (which is very popular in eve). One pilot per ship.

Having said that, one character can give some basic commands to a fleet (such as warping them together), but beyond that no.

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Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#25 - 2014-01-19 23:42:24 UTC
Ultor Rapax wrote:
Is it possible to have multiple vessels (my own fleet) and flying them simultaneously as one character?

No, like every other mmo, you can only log in one character per account. Otherwise you need more accounts. "Multiple vessels" you could count as drones though, as some advanced drones are frigate sized.

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Ultor Rapax
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2014-01-19 23:43:59 UTC
I see. Is it true Marauders can carry five drones?
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#27 - 2014-01-19 23:47:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Omega Sunset
Ultor Rapax wrote:
I see. Is it true Marauders can carry five drones?

Depends on size of drones vs. skills. My Battle Cruiser can carry and fly 5 drones. My CNR can carry 20 drones and fly up to five, six if I add a module for it. Yes i believe a marauder can carry five drones, five large drones, but fly them is another matter, and again bigger isn't always the better. I find light drones the most useful for mission running.

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Ultor Rapax
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2014-01-19 23:50:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Ultor Rapax
How to join Corporation or Alliance? Is possessing of high-end starship a necessary prerequisite?
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#29 - 2014-01-19 23:59:11 UTC
Ultor Rapax wrote:
How to join Corporation or Alliance? Is possessing of high-end starship a necessary prerequisite?

Players join (or create) a corporation. Corporations join alliances. Smile

Check out recruiting adds in the Alliance and Corp recruiting forum. You can also find recruiting adds ingame by navigating through your corp interface, and there's a recruiting channel too (although I'd avoid that lol).

Prerequisites vary from corp to corp. There's a ton of newbie friendly ones out there though.

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Ultor Rapax
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2014-01-20 00:18:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Ultor Rapax
OK. Tomorrow I will search for the best Marauder type and its pilot on the Bazaar. Big smile
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#31 - 2014-01-20 00:33:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Omega Sunset
lol...

then replace the ship after the first mission when you get blowed up by a frigate Lol
"What's a frigate? I don't know I never flew one"
This wont end well hehe

A bonus is if you can get a "bitter vet" character, then you can complain about how too easy it is for new players to gain SP and how it was in your day of getting up at 3am to just add a skill for training.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#32 - 2014-01-20 01:30:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Sabriz Adoudel
Ultor Rapax wrote:
I have done some research and I think I cannot purchase most powerful vessels like dreads, carriers etc. because they can only operate in low-sec and null-sec space where I would be quickly destroyed by pirates, NPCs and other crazy stuff. So now I need a ship able to fly in high-sec space what means nothing with jump-drive propulsion is on the table. Therefore the largest vessels in my present reach are Marauders.



In EVE, ships are tools for jobs, not a 'set of gear' you always use until you get better pieces.

Those ships you mention (Dreads and Carriers) are absolutely the best ships for specific things (destroying player structures for Dreads and repairing damage your allies have taken for Carriers), but they are downright worthless at others. Dreads in particular are dead meat if they are caught without allies, even if they are caught by a single 25 million ISK Interceptor.

Think a $200 power drill - it's an amazingly useful tool, but it's absolutely worthless to you when what you really need is a $2 torch.

I don't own a Dreadnought but if I did, I would not use it for anything other than shooting player structures or certain sites in wormhole space. Every time I wanted to do something else, I'd pull out a different tool - usually cruiser sized or smaller so that I can actually get around fast.

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Asia Leigh
Kenshin Industries.
Kenshin Shogunate.
#33 - 2014-01-20 01:44:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Asia Leigh
Ultor Rapax wrote:
OK. Tomorrow I will search for the best Marauder type and its pilot on the Bazaar. Big smile



As others have said in this thread, I can't recommend this... Its Just a very expensive loss mail in the making. That being said you can only play the game the way you find fun and if this course will be fun for you, by all means do so. Just be sure to do your research so you know what you are getting into.

Welcome to EVE and Have fun
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Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#34 - 2014-01-20 02:11:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Omega Sunset
Asia Leigh wrote:
Ultor Rapax wrote:
OK. Tomorrow I will search for the best Marauder type and its pilot on the Bazaar. Big smile



As others have said in this thread, I can't recommend this... Its Just a very expensive loss mail in the making. That being said you can only play the game the way you find fun and if this course will be fun for you, by all means do so. Just be sure to do your research so you know what you are getting into.

Welcome to EVE and Have fun
His first day playing, he probably hasten finished the basic tutorial. Almost seems so absurd it makes me wonder if this is some kind of alt account joke/troll.

But if for real...

The first T2 frigate I skilled for I still fly often. I can do things with it that no other ship in the game can do. True, I tend to dump some 250m isk into building one now, into a T2 frigate, but that's the perks of being a vet player and knowing how this game works... well some of it anyway hehe, my portion of it. And in doing so, If I were to hire/contract out my services, my clients could potentially be making 500m-1billion isk an hour. Bigger doesn't mean better, and I can do the same thing with a three month old account with that T2 Frig even as I do now.

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ISD Arkaroo
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2014-01-20 03:20:44 UTC
The most important thing to know about ships in eve is that they are tools for a job, and different tools are good at different jobs.

Unlike some competing MMO's, where one set of equipment is by definition better then another and you only ever use one set at a time and upgrade it as soon as you can, eve's ships exist on a plane of different strengths and weaknesses. All are desirable, it just depends on what you are doing.

Most players will own dozens of ships and swap between them as needed, in addition to buying ships for one-off jobs and selling them once done. You may be surprised at how often veterans fly ships you might consider weak.

I strongly recommend against simply buying an older character from the character bazaar right off the bat. You will find that without basic knowledge of game mechanics, simply buying characters that can use powerful ships will not make you powerful, and you risk losing large amounts of ISK on basic mistakes because you are learning the game on high end ships rather then entry-level ones.

If you do wish to pursue purchasing a pre-trained character from another player, I would suggest that before you do so you should play your trial for the full two weeks first. Do all the tutorials, especially the combat ones, and then do the sisters of eve epic arc.

This will give you some combat experience and help hone your understanding of eves flight mechanics.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2014-01-20 05:33:01 UTC
Ultor Rapax wrote:
OK. Tomorrow I will search for the best Marauder type and its pilot on the Bazaar. Big smile


Don't, don't, don't.

You're just wasting your money (and you'll need to use real world money to buy enough ISK to buy a character). Play the game, do the tutorials, learn how things in the game really work (marauders are a niche ship, like many of the others you've listed), see what you enjoy doing by doing it. If, in a couple of months you want to buy a character, then spend the money.

Marauders are not an 'I win' button. No ship in EVE is. Bigger is not better, ships are tools used for a purpose.
Keno Skir
#37 - 2014-01-20 08:25:56 UTC
Ha excellent.

Glad i read this :)
Miriya Zakalwe
World Wide Welp
#38 - 2014-01-20 11:07:19 UTC
This thread is, how should I put this, too perfect. I can has suspicions.
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#39 - 2014-01-20 11:26:15 UTC
Miriya Zakalwe wrote:
This thread is, how should I put this, too perfect. I can has suspicions.
Nah, he fixed his post after I mentioned that there were no black ops "cruisers". If he were a troll-alt he would have left it for kicks, as intentional. So I think he is on the level, just brainwashed by WoW thinking and all it's clones hah.
*grabs some popcorn* where will the thread go next...

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Just relax, dude, undock and have fun. Lol
Those frigates are some of the best fun in the game.

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Kayla Brandewyn
The Sacrifice.
For Better Crops Next Year
#40 - 2014-01-20 13:36:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Kayla Brandewyn
This thread will go with me asking another question.. Haha!

Well, I got the idea about ships and all already and I already have an idea where to go with it. But I read this thread and realized something - I know EVE is huge! And to have different ships doing different tasks, my ships will probably end up all over the Universe!

For example I need a Interceptor to do some PVP. Then I want to run some Missions and my BC, Cruiser is maybe 15 jumps away. After that my say, BS is another 15 jumps away and I need it maybe to fight in a fleet. How would you all recommend me to do it faster?

I read about jump clones but I'm not exactly sure if I interpret it correctly. Or do I have to do the jump all the way to get the ship I want thing?