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To achieve this, CCP will have to truly radically reduce capital and supercapital movement.

What about (massive) nerf to passive income? It wont solve anything short-term as all big blocks have huge reserves but may cause some de-escalation in mid- to long-term horizon by limiting the SRP capabilities...

Because the nullblocs make their real money from active income: they rent out space which easy power projection allows them to dominate. The renters make their ISK from ratting, mining, plexing, etc and pay a tithe to their landlord.

While I love the idea to make EVE Galaxy feel larger (yes, do it!), I dont think it will solve anything.

The battle in HED-GP happened not because of it's strategic value. The same battle could have happened in any other system, even regardless of sov. Actually, it almost happened when Goons moved their super fleet to their southern staging system - both sides were ready to engage, but PL scouts screwed up. That fight happened because people wanted to crush each other, and crush hard. So that it would mean REAL consequences. We dont want to blow up each others frigates cause we know they cost nothing to replace. We can do those **** roams once in a while, but that's not the reason why we play nullsec sov wars. RvB, Brave Newbies - sure, they have their fun. But guess what? If we wanted to play like RvB - we'd have joined RvB.

We play sov wars, because stakes are high.

Find a way to play high stakes without dogpiling everyone - and it's fixed.

At the moment they're free to do so, safe in the knowledge that they can move a fleet from one side of the map to the other in a few hours, while sov timers give them a week to organise this.

Orly? What's this then?
"Blowing some ships up is fine but don't touch us where it would really hurt" ??

Would the CFC have been quite so eager to 100% commit to saving -A-'s system if it meant leaving their northern regions undefended for a week?

It's precisely because the stakes are high that there has to be a motivation for very large groups not to commit their entire strength to a single fight. At the moment they're free to do so, safe in the knowledge that they can move a fleet from one side of the map to the other in a few hours, while sov timers give them a week to organise this.

"Find a way"? What way? Should the opposing sides form up a fleet each and then the GMs lock the system? How else are you going to stop people as motivated as you describe? Describe your system. Because it seems that my proposal DOES give them that motivation, and you're saying "nuh uh, I don't like a real, concrete reason not to dogpile, I want some magical mechanism that doesn't cause any inconvenience or change but is still somehow effective enough to stop them doing what they really really want to"

Malcanis wrote:
To achieve this, CCP will have to truly radically reduce capital and supercapital movement.


Penalise but not reduce, reducing means the blob wins, check my post above for a solution, it needs padding out.

The solution to this is something that not many of you are going to like the sound of.

First off, it's important to understand that's there's no magic "shut up and take my money" hardware bullet. Even if CCP went out and bought literally the best hardware on the planet, they'd get at most about a one-time 15-20% improvement. Real scope for improvement lies in the software. And developing a software fix is proving pretty damb difficult. Work is being done, but there aren't any big wins on the immediate horizon.

The other possibilty is game design. Either disincentivize or make too expenive (meaning as in time & effort because as we all know expensive as in ISK doesn't mean ****) ultrablob tactics.

My esteemed fellow poster Mr Grath Telkin has proposed a space-honoure~~ agreement between alliance FCs not to bring more than a few hundred ships to a fight. In effect, to turn EVE warfare into a tournament. Whilst his proposal is as laughably unrealistic as it is blatantly self serving, it does highlight a basic truth that there is no denying: EVE simply can't support all-out alliance warfare on the current model.

The only possible effective solution is to effectively enforce that space-honoure agreement and radically reduce power projection so that if eg: the CFC are deploying a fleet in Catch, the same fleet is physically unable to defend a timer in Branch. Thus any far-flung power bloc which attempts to project power on this side of the map must necessarily reduce it's ability to do so on that side. That is the only way that bloc level powers will voluntarily limit the size of the fleets that they deploy: by making it in their own interest.

To achieve this, CCP will have to truly radically reduce capital and supercapital movement. I'm talking about changes on the order of a 24 hour cooldown on capital jumps, requiring consumables for gate jumps, burning jump bridges to the ground, eliminating titan bridging and so on.

Are you, the inhabitants of 0.0 ready to accept such a radical change in your 0.0 lifestyle? Most of 0.0 lives in blocs, and this would be a titanic nerf to blocs.

If not, then fine, but don't complain about what happens when 4000 people have a capital battle in a single system.

If you are then tell me so loud and clear right now, and that's the message I'll take to Iceland on Tuesday.