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New player is seeking his first good spaceship

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Ultor Rapax
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-01-19 19:19:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Ultor Rapax
Hi, there!

I boarded EVE on-line a hour ago and now I have only capsule. I'd like to purchase far better starship but I am not sure which one is best suited for me. I prefer combat career in the EVE Universe so I am looking for combat spaceships. After reading Evelopedia several classes are close to my wishes: Recon Cruisers, Heavy Assault Cruisers, Strategic Cruisers, Marauders, Black Ops Cruisers, Dreads and Carriers. What class could you advice me to purchase?
Oraac Ensor
#2 - 2014-01-19 19:25:13 UTC
Do the tutorials - you'll receive several frigates, a destroyer and two industrials.

No need to be buying anything yet.
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#3 - 2014-01-19 19:46:41 UTC
Welcome! Big smile

The ships you list are all somewhat advanced in that they would take a number of months to train for and fly competently, although they are rather sexy so it's understandable that you're attracted to them. Good ships to aim for in the long-run.

Meanwhile follow Oraac's advice and follow the tutorials. You'll end up with some basic ships and some money all while learning the basics. Smile At this stage of your EVE career the various frigates and destroyers will be your best friend.

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#4 - 2014-01-19 19:55:30 UTC
Dock in any station without a ship, and you receive a FREE rookie ship.

It comes equipped with a Civilian Miner and a Civilian racial turret. You can right-click repackage and reassemble the ship to get an infinite supply of these. As an "egger" you should never be without a ship.

Stick to frigates for now. I've been around 5 years, and I'm still using a frigate despite being able to use pretty much anything else.
Ultor Rapax
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-01-19 20:31:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Ultor Rapax
Wait a moment! You said I cannot fly purchased starship instantly because I need some long training. Is that correct? Cannot I speed up this training or buy qualifications required?
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-01-19 20:42:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Elena Thiesant
Do the tutorials, do the career agents (yes, all of them).

Yes you need training to fly ships, the bigger the ship, the longer the training. No, you cannot buy qualifications, yes you can speed up the training a little. It's a bit too early for you to be really worrying about that now.

Some of the ships you listed have very specialised uses, all are quite expensive and all need a lot of training (I've been playing a year, I can't fly any of them. I can however build all but one of them). No need to rush, bigger is not better.
Dyphorus
Inritus Astrum
#7 - 2014-01-19 20:45:57 UTC
Ultor Rapax wrote:
Wait a moment! You said I cannot fly purchased starship instantly because I need some long training. Is that correct? Cannot I speed up this training or buy qualifications required?


That is correct. Just like any other MMO, you can't jump into the "high/level" / "end game" on the first day.

That said, what's more important in EVE is not necessarily what ship you want to fly, but what you want to do. Considering that, it can take some time to learn the ropes EVE an even learn what you CAN do. If instant gratification is what you want, EVE is the furthest thing from it. If you're interested in a game with a huge amount of depth, and a multitude of options, you're in the right place.
Centis Adjani
Adjani Corporation
#8 - 2014-01-19 20:47:16 UTC
You cannot buy qualification direct.
But you can buy several numbers of Plex for real Money.
Then you can sell these Plex InGame to earn ISK.
With the ISK you can buy a Character with the skills (qualifications) you like in the Character Bazar.

But I strongest recommend to do NOT so. Because:
* A lot of fun in this game come from starting with nothing (no knowledge, no ISK (Money),
no player skills and no in game skills, etc.) and to learn how things work.
* You lack the Player skills, you need to fly a ship. The inGame skills don't give you really the ability to fly.
* You really know not enough about the game itself

To learn more about EvE i strongly recommend, to look at the sticky threads here in this New Citizen Forum.
And read the information in there carefully.

Erica Dusette
Division 13
#9 - 2014-01-19 20:49:59 UTC
Ultor Rapax wrote:
Wait a moment! You said I cannot fly purchased starship instantly because I need some long training. Is that correct? Cannot I speed up this training or buy qualifications required?

*nods* Yup that's correct.

Probably the simplest of the ships you listed would be the heavy assault cruisers. Those, for example, would probably take a couple months to skill up to fly properly - and that's just the ship. It'll take longer still to train the support skills for said ship so you can use decent modules on it. No point buying a shiny ship when you can only fit it with horrible modules.

At the other end of the scale something like a dreadnaught will take even longer to train for, many, many months, and can only be used in certain areas of space.

Using implants and doing attribute remaps can help speed your training up - a little.

And you can purchase multiple-character training too if you wish to skill up more than one character simultaneously on the one account.

Or as the poster above me said you can purchase an already-trained character on the character bazaar. But this would be setting yourself up to fail without proper ingame experience to properly use that character.

But in general EVE takes a lot of patience and time, which makes eventually flying those sexy ships very rewarding. Not forgetting that you will (at some point) lose every ship you fly. So take your time and try not to fly anything that you a) Don't have the proper skills to fly or b) can't afford to replace. Blink

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

Part-Time Wormhole Pirate Full-Time Supermodel

worмнole dιary + cнaracтer вιoѕвσss

Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#10 - 2014-01-19 20:56:45 UTC
Ultor Rapax wrote:
Wait a moment! You said I cannot fly purchased starship instantly because I need some long training. Is that correct? Cannot I speed up this training or buy qualifications required?

All those ships you named are different. Like someone asking what you want for lunch and you say "a cup, a fork, a spoon, a plate and some food".

Who are you?
What do you want?
Why are you here?
Where are you going?

Study this and go fly your newbie ship through the tutorial and career agent missions. When you figure it out, then you can better ask what tools you need to accomplish this or that in this game.

—Ω—

Ultor Rapax
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-01-19 21:16:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Ultor Rapax
Centis Adjani wrote:
You cannot buy qualification direct.
But you can buy several numbers of Plex for real Money.
Then you can sell these Plex InGame to earn ISK.
With the ISK you can buy a Character with the skills (qualifications) you like in the Character Bazar.


It's weird! I do not get it. I can buy another personality in this game??? Now I have three character slots so after buying it I will have only two or I have to create new alter-account?
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-01-19 21:30:56 UTC
You can buy another character, it would take up the second of those 3 slots. As a brand new player with no experience of the game, I wouldn't recommend it.
Ultor Rapax
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-01-19 21:38:33 UTC
OK. Thanks for clarifications.
Mizaki Darkmist
#14 - 2014-01-19 21:42:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Mizaki Darkmist
Ultor Rapax wrote:
Wait a moment! You said I cannot fly purchased starship instantly because I need some long training. Is that correct? Cannot I speed up this training or buy qualifications required?



Technically, no. That's not correct. You can fly your race's rookie ship without training and you likely have the skill already trained to get into your race's frigates and fly them around. What you may not have is the skills to fit certain modules to those ships. However if you go through the tutorials, then the career agents you will get some ships and skillbooks and it will teach you how to train skills so that you can eventually fit the modules. Also ask in your corp chat channel, more often than not I've found that there'll be someone in there who's willing to help out. Then you have the advantage of being able to just open the windows they're talking about and see what they mean.
Ultor Rapax
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-01-19 21:52:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Ultor Rapax
I have done some research and I think I cannot purchase most powerful vessels like dreads, carriers etc. because they can only operate in low-sec and null-sec space where I would be quickly destroyed by pirates, NPCs and other crazy stuff. So now I need a ship able to fly in high-sec space what means nothing with jump-drive propulsion is on the table. Therefore the largest vessels in my present reach are Marauders.
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#16 - 2014-01-19 21:56:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Omega Sunset
fooooorrrr...

Marauders are HORRIBLE for exploration!

btw this isn't WoW, bigger doesn't mean better. Forget all you have learned in every one of those fail games. This is EVE.

—Ω—

Ultor Rapax
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-01-19 22:00:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Ultor Rapax
Marauders are apparently best suited for missions and solo NPC fight but not PvP battles. Am I right?
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#18 - 2014-01-19 22:11:57 UTC
Ultor Rapax wrote:
Marauders are apparently best suited for missions and NPC fight but not PvP fight. Am I right?

So your plan is to mission run in high sec? Marauder is adequate, though a standard T1 battleship or navy issue battleship is the more common for lvl4 mission runs (highest mission lvl in high sec is 4). But then also the lvl4 missions can be speed run with a cruiser, such as a T2 or T3 cruiser. And also there are some that run Assault Frigates against lvl4 missions in high sec, be it duo or solo. So, no, there is no clear cut biggest is best for things in this game, like I said this isn't WoW and you should forget all that biggest-is-bestest thinking.

—Ω—

Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-01-19 22:13:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Elena Thiesant
Ultor Rapax wrote:
Therefore the largest vessels in my present reach are Marauders.


Bigger is NOT better in EVE. Ships are tools, you use the best one for the job you're doing. There's no one ship that does everything better than all other ships

For a brand new character, a Marauder is about a 3-month train, that's if you go straight for the ship training nothing else, no core skills, no weapon skills, nothing else. Plus it's about a billion ISK for the ship alone. It is not a new player's ship and it's not good at everything, far from it.
Ultor Rapax
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-01-19 23:01:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Ultor Rapax
I looked into "starshop" in the game (I am now in Duripant VII moon 6 Federal Navy Academy starbase) and ship's prices are quite interesting:

- standard battleships - circa 170 mil. ISK
- Marauders - 1.0-1.2 bil. ISK
- Black Ops battleships - 0.85-1.3 bil. ISK
- heavy assault cruisers - 200 mil. ISK
- heavy interdiction cruisers - 250-320 mil. ISK
- recon cruisers - 150-220 mil. ISK
- strategic cruisers - 160-200 mil. ISK

In sum Marauders and Blac-Ops battleships are several times more expensive than remaining vessels! Shocked
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