EVE General Discussion

Another solution could a be a type of combat arena. Limited to 1000 pilots (or whatever the node can handle without Tidi). Each side can have as many pilots on standby as they wish but only a set amount from either side can enter the arena at any given time.

Players from each side could be moved in from another node at intervals during the fight to maintain numbers. The fight could last for hours or even days if pilots are in fleet ready to go and willing to keep losing assets.

EG Fight;
Arena size of 1000 km to allow FC's to warp to optimal's or utilize other strategic maneuvers. Beacons could be utilized as drop points for new combatants. They would only be accessible by 'blues' and shielded in a manner similar to a pos to allow new combatants a way of entering the battle without being popped as soon as they are dropped into the system.

Each side has a maximum 500 ships on field
limits, 150 capitals - 200 battleship, battle cruiser - 150 cruiser, frigate.

As the battle progresses destroyed ships are replaced from backup fleets at preset intervals, if you lost 50 capitals 30 battleships or battle cruisers and 100 cruisers and frigates they could be moved from backup fleet to the arena. If you don't want to field another 50 capitals they could be replaced with 50 from any other class but no more than 150 capitals and a maximum of 500 ships could be on field at a time.

Arena fights could be for a predetermined time or until one side says enough, or is unable to field more combatants.

Fc's would need to think carefully about what ships they are fielding and what they have in replacement fleets. It may mean fielding 150 caps 300 cruisers and 50 frigates or 150 caps 200 battleships with the rest being subcap support with a few dictors thrown in.

A 1000km arena means smaller ships like frigates and cruisers are not just stuck on field to be blapped by drone spewing battleships and carriers, there is room to warp around strategically.

*Arena fights would not of course remove "sov grinds" but for mass pre-planned engagements, they could be a solution to waiting for hours to jump to a fight only to sit in 10% tidi for hours on end. Probably not everyone's idea of a good plan but it may be somewhere to start.

I don't disagree MonkeyMagic. The point I am trying to make is that so long as war is a question of superior numbers, people are going to bring everything they can. As objectives are met in other systems, the fleets will redeploy to systems where the objectives have not been met and will continue to do so until there is one system left where the objectives have not yet been met and they will all dogpile into that one system.

Your idea isn't a bad idea and I hope you don't take my playing devils advocate in a malicious way. I just think that there has to be a better way. It would be nice if there were other ways to flip systems other than full scale blobs trying impotently to shoot at each other. Hacking sov structures instead of shooting them for hours. Surely not the best idea but someone with more experience than I in sov warfare can surely think of things that would include more subtlety and subterfuge instead of the suckfest that currently exists.

I also apologize if my ignorance of sov warfare annoys anyone. My posting is only an effort to help with the issues I saw watching this on TwitchTV and thinking I was looking at a screenshot and not a live battle.

Yeah I don't see why CCP cannot stage these fights being as they have to be notified in advance and then micro-manage the event when the time comes. Lets face it, everything in null these days is staged by Mittani and Shadoo etc but at least the puppets on the front line would enjoy these fake wars more.

I wonder if CCP will use these huge battle numbers for marketing. I'm sure if they do they will leave out some minor details like TiDi, obviously, which seems like it will upset any new player coming into this game wanting to take part in such a large battle and having to put up with such a feature.

Also, just how many people ARE actually upset by this TiDi 'feature'? I haven't been to null and I haven't taken part in such a huge battle and apart from a little TiDi at Jita now and then I haven't had major issues; but surely if it was really all that bad then there would be +/- 3,900 individuals complaining in this very thread!

Considering how large the EVE player base is (I assume it's rather large) and how relatively small the complaints are about TiDi, is it actually all that bad? In terms of percentage of individual players(sans alts, etc.) complaining about it, with regards to the entire active player base, just how many is it? 3% or 5% of players are complaining, more?

Also, going through most of the threads in this forum one quickly realises that's it a very, very small number of 'usual suspects' that are posting. I recon the majority of active players barely touch, let along post anything in these forums and are quite content and happy with EVE and the game in general.

Just how many individuals are complaining in these so called "threadnaughts" verses just the endless amount of posts by said 'usual suspects'?

Maybe i'm wrong and the EVE player base is rather small, then the amounts of complaints should actually be worrying to CCP? But I doubt it.

Lol always the same, when the game was stressed to its limits when local hit 1000 people still brought 1000 people to a fight fully aware that the node would probably crash. CCP worked hard to avoid node crashing, Tidi is the solution for that but even with Tidi the hardware has its limits.

Even if CCP had a Cray Titan people would find ways to cram enough people/accounts into one system to make it lag!
It has always been this way since god knows how long. Remember that Lotka Voltera baby Titan when was it...2006? When goons and friends brought enough people to crash the node and when it did they managed to log in faster/more coordinated giving them the advantage to kill the CSAA.
Year in year out players stress the server capabilities. Today its moaning about 4000 tomorrow when the server has enough power to provide 4000 battles, provided the game keeps growing/people keep on amassing more accounts it will be 6000 people and we will have the same rage and tears again then 10.000.

The problem here is the herd mentality of the players and the mechanics that allow to plan for stuff like this far too long in advance and the sov mechanics in general but there is no easy solution to that either.

Not sure if random timers within a 12 hours time frame would solve anything. (Didn´t the game have that at some point?)
If only the game had line of sight shooting clusterf**** like this would not happen since each entity would obliterate their own fleets if they warped them in in a huge pile but as things are and given the mentality of people CCP needs to find a workable solution for the sov mechanics. Even the best hardware in the world won´t solve this since people will find ways to bring more people bringing the server/node to its limits time and again!

And to all the people complaining, I find it quite a miracle that the node managed to hold with almost 4000 people, god knows how many drones and people shooting, thats quite amazing! People in system with a loaded grid reported it was quite playable.

The CFC and friends could have avoided a lot of grief if they had taken Tidi and a laggy node into account and HAD NOT warped in 1500+ subcaps first frying the grid and then tried to jump their caps on top. Read Kugu, people have provided several solutions how things could have been handled much better by the CFC.

So before pointing fingers at CCP alone some people should look in the mirror.

You guys KNEW that there would be heavy Tidi, you guys KNEW that the node would be unresponsive and yet your solution was to pile in everything nevertheless, instead of thinking of ways how to get the caps/supercaps in and give them the best chance to load even the grid instead of shooting yourself in the foot.

But mad props for at least trying are in order I guess !

Not gonna read an essay in GD sorry

Except EVE wouldn't run on it. Rewriting EVE to be able to do that would make it able to run just fine on a significantly smaller platform utilizing parallelism across multiple cores. In any case, there are only so many people playing EVE, only so many of which are even in nullsec, only so many of which are involved in this war, only so many of which are active for these fights, and only so many of which choose to participate. Just because we hit the limits each incremental increase doesn't mean we wouldn't ever reach a point where the system will be able to support more than we bring. I mean, it's already the case that the system supports many more players than most battles reach. These battles become famous because they hit those limits.

Learn to read man. You'll see many posts (across many sites not just here) where players are saying the same thing. Waiting 30mins for one command to be completed is no better than being stuck in warp and the system not loading. The people experiencing this all said they couldn't even log back into the game.

People were still "coming out of warp" into the wrecking ball well after the battle ended.

So no I'm sorry Tidi has done nothing to improve the game, frozen gameplay is just as bad as disconnections!. Past server upgrades etc are what has allowed more people into a system but allowing a 4000k limit when its unstable at 3k just defeats the object.

Tidi has done plenty to improve the game. It allows us to have significantly larger battles than before without node crashes, black screens, unresponsive modules, et cetera. These problems still occur in the largest of battles of course, but to say that significantly raising the breaking point didn't benefit the game at all is a bit disingenuous.

And EVE could possibly be made to run a significant portion of its server code on GPGPUs or parallel cores but it would take a complete rewrite of the game, from scratch, in a different language. It would be such a massive undertaking that it would require the entire development team to stop working on current EVE. They would lose a lot of subscribers over the years they would be doing this, it would cost a lot of money because they would of course have to keep paying wages and fees, and they would probably have to invest in new hardware to run the new code (since Tranquility is heavily optimized for single-core performance per node).