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Should CCP focus resources on nullsec instead of hisec? Would it fix the lag?

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Eduard Khil XD
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-01-18 22:42:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Eduard Khil XD
Hi.
I am just wondering, if CCP were to shift their aim from hisec being a heavily focused on area, and instead used those resources on nullsec, would the lag be fixed to an extent?

Just looking at average pilots in space, there are a lot of people in hisec compared to null.
If CCP was to nerf hisec (remove level 4s from there for instance) and more people would move to null, could CCP then concentrate more on growing the nullsec server infrastructure?
Tetsuo Tsukaya
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-01-18 22:44:26 UTC
I don't think the servers work the way you seem to think they do...
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#3 - 2014-01-18 22:45:02 UTC
Eduard Khil XD wrote:
If CCP was to nerf hisec (remove level 4s from there for instance) and more people would move to null.


You assume that moving L4s would cause people to move out of High Sec.

It would not.

Why would you think that changing High Sec would do anything to fix Null Sec?

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Eduard Khil XD
Doomheim
#4 - 2014-01-18 22:46:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Eduard Khil XD
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Eduard Khil XD wrote:
If CCP was to nerf hisec (remove level 4s from there for instance) and more people would move to null.


You assume that moving L4s would cause people to move out of High Sec.

It would not.

Why would you think that changing High Sec would do anything to fix Null Sec?


Because they use the same servers.

For example for the HED-GP fight they took resources from Jita.

I'm not saying the affect would be immediate at all, I mean in terms of future development goals, if CCP focused more on nullsec servers perhaps things would be better?
Dace Onio
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2014-01-18 22:46:37 UTC
My personal opinion is they would be better putting full resources into a eve 2
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#6 - 2014-01-18 22:51:07 UTC
Eduard Khil XD wrote:
Because they use the same servers.

For example for the HED-GP fight they took resources from Jita.

I'm not saying the affect would be immediate at all, I mean in terms of future development goals, if CCP focused more on nullsec servers perhaps things would be better?


They move HED-GP onto the "SuperNode" where Jita normally lives and it still was horrible. But now instead of HED-GP just being less significantly ******, both HED-GP and Jita are ******.

It's not something you can just throw more servers at.

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Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-01-18 22:51:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdiel Kavash
You have two baskets, each half-full of apples. Now a truck full of apples arrives. You need to fit the apples into the two baskets. Would moving all the apples from the "highsec" basket into the "nullsec" basket help you fit the truckload of apples into the baskets?
Alice Ituin
Doomheim
#8 - 2014-01-18 22:56:36 UTC
Two mistakes:

Nerfing highsec won't cause those players to move to null. They aren't in null because they don't want to be there. (and if you look at the current "battle" in null you might understand why they wouldn't)

More server infrastructure won't help. They already use the strongest server and it still isn't enough because they use ancient code that can't take advantage of modern servers. Instead of modernizing the code base they just strap on more band aid "fixes" until the whole thing falls apart.
Plug in Baby
Family Tipes
#9 - 2014-01-18 23:21:42 UTC
I think the best strategy for CCP as a business is to make money. They should pull resources from null sec, low sec, high sec and WH and allocate it all to Dust.

Eve is getting old and makes hardly any money, Dust is new and highly profitable so that is where they should be sending resources.

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Garnoo
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2014-01-18 23:24:15 UTC
lets nerf null (more ESS) so we can all move to hisec and this will never happens again :D
i bet everyone would be happy having goons in their mission hubs :P

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trader joes Ichinumi
Doomheim
#11 - 2014-01-19 01:13:19 UTC
Eduard Khil XD wrote:
Hi.
I am just wondering, if CCP were to shift their aim from hisec being a heavily focused on area, and instead used those resources on nullsec, would the lag be fixed to an extent?

Just looking at average pilots in space, there are a lot of people in hisec compared to null.
If CCP was to nerf hisec (remove level 4s from there for instance) and more people would move to null, could CCP then concentrate more on growing the nullsec server infrastructure?


Nerfing high sec wouldn't necessarily move more people to null. A large portion of the high sec population didn't choose high sec due to an economic calculus. They chose it because they are essentially scared of null.

Living in null is a much more high stress environment, especially if you play by yourself a lot. You have to constantly watch out for gate camps/pirates/roaming interceptors. Its not just about the money.
Erufen Rito
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2014-01-19 01:16:31 UTC
Plug in Baby wrote:
I think the best strategy for CCP as a business is to make money. They should pull resources from null sec, low sec, high sec and WH and allocate it all to Dust.

Eve is getting old and makes hardly any money, Dust is new and highly profitable so that is where they should be sending resources.

You must work at the CCP Accounting Department or something. Else this statement would sound like it came straight out of your ass.

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Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#13 - 2014-01-19 01:18:40 UTC
10-15% of population in nullsec.... YES, FOCUS ALL RESOURCES THERE!!!

...

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#14 - 2014-01-19 01:35:11 UTC
Eduard Khil XD wrote:
I mean in terms of future development goals, if CCP focused more on nullsec servers perhaps things would be better?

There are no “nullsec servers”. There are just standard nodes and reinforced nodes (and Jita).

Things would be better if they improved the server code, which they are. That will improve things on all three types of nodes.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#15 - 2014-01-19 01:45:25 UTC  |  Edited by: DaReaper
tl:dr;
tbh the only thing that will fix eve's lag is if they can get a grip on the old code that is optimized for single core servers. They need to do a huge overhaul of old systems , maybe even a giant rewriting of things. That will do wonders to levitate some of the lag. When eve was made it was made in a programing language that can;t be split into different cores. So that atm is the biggest draw back. At least form what i have read over the years.

No amount of shifting resources to other areas will fix it. if the server can;t adjust things to different cores, like have a system with 23 cores run different functions, at the moment, afaik its one core, or maybe 1cpu per system, or MANY systems.

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Demica Diaz
SE-1
#16 - 2014-01-19 01:51:36 UTC
Eduard Khil XD wrote:
Hi.
I am just wondering, if CCP were to shift their aim from hisec being a heavily focused on area, and instead used those resources on nullsec, would the lag be fixed to an extent?

Just looking at average pilots in space, there are a lot of people in hisec compared to null.
If CCP was to nerf hisec (remove level 4s from there for instance) and more people would move to null, could CCP then concentrate more on growing the nullsec server infrastructure?


Even if high sec was totally removed and everyones high sec bear would be deleted, we would get exactly same "lag" in major battles as we today witnessed. Problem lies in how SOV is fought over in EVE. It is OLD and outdated way. From era where people didnt have billion titans to throw around. Change is needed.
Norm Tempesta
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-01-19 02:08:39 UTC
Dace Onio wrote:
My personal opinion is they would be better putting full resources into a eve 2


Now THAT is by far the best idea I have heard yet Idea
willy Amatin
Doomheim
#18 - 2014-01-19 02:43:56 UTC
This is not even a stealth nerf highsec

But

Potentially stealth lowsec pirate desperate for targets
Michael Escoto
Accretia Implants and Biotech Industries
#19 - 2014-01-19 07:47:11 UTC
I'd imagine the server load akin to a mini DDoS attack, with all that F1 mashing, left/right mouse buttion clicks, etc etc..
Prince Kobol
#20 - 2014-01-19 07:57:03 UTC
The only way to stop the kind of fights that happened last night is to rework Sov Mechanics.

When you have structures that have millions of hit points then caps are the best thing to use.

The only real way you can stop a cap fleet is with another cap fleet, throw on top who ever has more numbers usually wins then you have thousands of guys in ships with millions of HP.

Nullsec players do not enjoy terrible lag and massive TiDi but it is not their fault.

The Mechanics of Sov Warfare is the catalyst, the driver behind these massive cap fights, you can not expect people to have some gentleman's agreement to only bring x number of ships to any given fight.
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