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A message everyone in HED-GP can come together about

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WarFireV
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-01-18 20:21:23 UTC  |  Edited by: WarFireV
In times of war their can often be hostile relations between both sides. Forum spam, local bashing, lolgaming news sites, we have all seen it.

But today I feel everyone can come together, who right now, fight against each other in HED-GP. Everyone can come to an agreement on one thing.

Fix Sov

This is terrible, this is not epic, this is not grand, this is not amazing. This is just putting a gun to the head of a blind an deaf man and yet this is also EvEs largest capital battle ever.

While the battle today is not the fault of CCP, we are merely people playing the game you created for us, it can at lest put a remind that something more needs to be done perhaps. The server can not handle these battles yet, but sov dictates they have to happen to take a single system.

I am not here to tell you how it can be done, CCP knows the code better then I and know what is possible and what is not. I just want to say that the current Sov system(which has been around longer then POS sov system of old) is sub-optimal to the current EvE player base.
Dave Stark
#2 - 2014-01-18 20:22:47 UTC
gotta say i'm watching a stream and it basically looks like 4000 pilots afk in bubbles. there's literally nothing visually interesting happening.

how you guys sit and tolerate this **** i'll never know.
Mr LaboratoryRat
Confederation of DuckTape Lovers
#3 - 2014-01-18 20:26:27 UTC
Blue standings vs another corp/Alliance should cost isk. More blues = more tax.

Thats all im saying, think about it.
Mah Boobz
Doomheim
#4 - 2014-01-18 20:26:56 UTC
I wonder, if CCP hadn't spent all that money on Dust and WOD, and instead, put it into the Eve servers (were the money was made) if we could actually have the fights CCP brag about?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#5 - 2014-01-18 20:28:40 UTC
Too many caps, too many caps on all sides.
Dave Stark
#6 - 2014-01-18 20:30:44 UTC
Mr LaboratoryRat wrote:
Blue standings vs another corp/Alliance should cost isk. More blues = more tax.

Thats all im saying, think about it.


that's just going to create third party junk to replace blue standings and nothing will be resolved.
set standings on third party website system, import your local list and it'll tell you who is and isn't blue... no tax paid.

in fact, i'm pretty sure there are already tools that do this.
trader joes Ichinumi
Doomheim
#7 - 2014-01-18 20:33:03 UTC
The only realistic solution is to create incentives for attacking multiple systems at once so this doesn't happen, but that would take a lot of work.

Off the top of my head: Create control points in adjacent systems that give bonuses to your allies. IE Each control point grants 10% more damage. If you have 4 such points, you could really reduce the workload.

However, this would require a lot of rebalancing of ships and reworking sov, which I doubt CCP will do.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#8 - 2014-01-18 20:37:54 UTC
WarFireV wrote:
In times of war their can often be hostile relations between both sides. Forum spam, local bashing, lolgaming news sites, we have all seen it.

But today I feel everyone can come together, who right now, fight against each other in HED-GP. Everyone can come to an agreement on one thing.

Fix Sov

This is terrible, this is not epic, this is not grand, this is not amazing. This is just putting a gun to the head of a blind an deaf man and yet this is also EvEs largest capital battle ever.

While the battle today is not the fault of CCP, we are merely people playing the game you created for us, it can at lest put a remind that something more needs to be done perhaps. The server can not handle these battles yet, but sov dictates they have to happen to take a single system.

I am not here to tell you how it can be done, CCP knows the code better then I and know what is possible and what is not. I just want to say that the current Sov system(which has been around longer then POS sov system of old) is sub-optimal to the current EvE player base.


some PL guy came up with a really good idea for fixing sov... it had to do with capital system for every constilation to take sov for the whole constilation you would have to have one big fight for the capital (which would still lead to mind slow lag)

but there would be loads of fun leading up to that in the form of enhanced FW plexes that would have to be taken to secure outer lining systems.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-01-18 20:39:40 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
some PL guy came up with a really good idea for fixing sov... it had to do with capital system for every constilation to take sov for the whole constilation you would have to have one big fight for the capital (which would still lead to mind slow lag)

but there would be loads of fun leading up to that in the form of enhanced FW plexes that would have to be taken to secure outer lining systems.


you've played long enough to know that that suggestion is literally pre-dominion sov

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dantes inferno
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-01-18 20:41:53 UTC  |  Edited by: dantes inferno
Thx CCP for this afternoon "fight", that's the worst game experience i've ever had.................................

Instead of lying about how awsome fights in EvE are on your official youtube channel, fix sov, fix tidi...And be sure this ****** game play will be shown by players on youtube. We will laugh when subscription will go down again (already happening anyway...)
WarFireV
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-01-18 20:43:35 UTC
At this point talking and getting CCP to admit it might need to look into Sov again is better then coming up with something that may or may not be possible

It will not be an easy task, but Eve has changed since Dominion has come about. I mean we were still using RR-CRBS when it came out!
Rekkr Nordgard
Steelforge Heavy Industries
#12 - 2014-01-18 20:46:44 UTC
CCP can't fix Sov, they're too busy doing super duper really important things like adding broken deployables to nerf nullsec ratting income.
Admiral Snowbird
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-01-18 20:49:30 UTC
but Eve has changed because we have ESS now!


But really CCP will not change anything because we're a small group ~6000ppl and not the mainstream so they better work on other cool stuff
Thead Enco
Domheimed
#14 - 2014-01-18 20:49:36 UTC
Stop with the half a$$ development of products that take you three times as long to make Vs. your competitors that have little value to your flagship game. Stop wasting resources on "Community Reps" and Stop for the love of God with bull **** modules like the "ESS" or other "Ideas" that is comparable to the bastard expansion that was Incarna.
Mr LaboratoryRat
Confederation of DuckTape Lovers
#15 - 2014-01-18 20:50:55 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Too many caps, too many caps on all sides.



Too many tech, tooo many technetium for years on an end...


Told you so CCP

gl fixing
Cor Six
The Northerners
Pandemic Horde
#16 - 2014-01-18 20:52:33 UTC
Let me tell you... 2 hrs jumptunnel aint fun.

But ohwell now we all know that if its coalition vs coalition fights were back to 2006. The one that smaks there forces in to the system first wins cuz the other one simply cant get in.

Atleast i hope CCP reimbursts all those dreads. Star Citizen anyone?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#17 - 2014-01-18 20:53:03 UTC
Mr LaboratoryRat wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Too many caps, too many caps on all sides.



Too many tech, tooo many technetium for years on an end...


Told you so CCP

gl fixing


They nerfed that a while ago.
Zircon Dasher
#18 - 2014-01-18 20:53:04 UTC
Better server/code = more "people" needed to play the lag/tidi/node crush war
More "people" needed to play the lag/tidi/node crush war = more alt accounts

Therefore,
Better server/code = more alt accounts

More alt accounts = same game experience for unique players
More alt accounts = more money for CCP


THEREFORE,
Better server/code = more money for CCP and same game experience for unique players

Rinse and Repeat

Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#19 - 2014-01-18 20:53:19 UTC
WarFireV wrote:
At this point talking and getting CCP to admit it might need to look into Sov again is better then coming up with something that may or may not be possible

It will not be an easy task, but Eve has changed since Dominion has come about. I mean we were still using RR-CRBS when it came out!


if the nestor is a taste of things to come... you might start again Smile

though ccp veritas did make a dev blog in 2011 talking about how they were thinking of fixing sov.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/nullsec-development-design-goals/

its been 2.5 years think they have the an idea of where they want to go by now.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Findail
Quid Plorus
#20 - 2014-01-18 20:53:56 UTC
dantes inferno wrote:
Thx CCP for this afternoon "fight", that's the worst game experience i've ever had.................................

Instead of lying about how awsome fights in EvE are on your official youtube channel, fix sov, fix tidi...And be sure this ****** game play will be shown by players on youtube. We will laugh when subscription will go down again (already happening anyway...)


Yep. Stayed up all night in the hopes of an epic fight... and instead get a system where even if you wait an hour the grid can't load Sad
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