Science & Industry

Well than, good luck with it.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=402836#post402836

Its not about the dreads, its about the change of CO's in player hands was intended to foster 0.0. income with low sec carring all the disadvantage.

From my math the risk/ reward ration in low sec is at 80/20 may be even 90/10. after 29. Nov
Yea, I do have exclusive low sec PI running atm.

Errm, no-one has mentioned Wormholes. Surely now people will be blowing up these custom offices just for the hell of it? Jesus, you get a kill mail for it for christs sake. And what would be the point in spending loads of isk to replace them, when they'd still just be big floating targets for people to blow them up just for the hell of it?

And everywhere else, you're basicly putting the taxation into the only groups able to effectively hold them, big alliances. Everyone else is going to get screwed!! And lots of industry orintated people get alot of enjoyment out of managing their planets (such as me). Now they're going to have serious problems.

At the very least we should be able to build defences at them, make them slightly self-sufficent in looking after themselves.

I was really looking forward to this expansion. Now, i'm not at all!

From the devblog thread, the wiki page listing the new base tax values is up:

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CustomsOffice

I'd say this changes things a lot. POCO income for P1 or P2 extraction planets is now 144mil/BIF or 3.2mil/AIF per month, at 10% taxes. On a busy planet, that should repay the office in a couple months.

Yes, the numbers seem a lot more sensible across the tiers.

(running numbers) Lo-sec PI harvest colonies, figure somewhere between 4-8 BIFs. 50 ISK/u export fee for P1 at 10%. A single BIF outputs 48 times a day, producing 20 units each time. Figure 30.5 days in a month.

1 BIF = 1,464,000/mo export tariffs at the 10% setting.

4 BIFs = 5,856,000/mo
6 BIFs = 8,784,000/mo
8 BIFs = 11,712,000/mo

Which indeed means that lo-sec POCOs for PI harvest planets might be economically viable now. Even if you charge a bit less then the standard 10%. As long as you have 10-12 extraction colonies on the surface of your planet, you can pay off the POCO in about 30-45 days.

Sov Null and W-Space residents would be smart to charge about 3-5% tariffs, which would help the corp coffers and help pay for the POCOs while still letting your residents have a cost advantage over the hi-sec folks who are paying 10% tariffs.

Excellent changes. This is the "first step" from my initial post -- a straight up rebalance of reference tax values. Hopefully they continue to change them in the future, as their market values float.

POCOs are now competitive with Interbus COs. I'm not sure which I'd prefer to have in my system. We'll see!

Some things I haven't noticed in thread:

1. Concentration of PI resources is higher in null-sec than in low-sec. But cost of POCO is going to be the same. So POCO building in low-sec is going to be less profitable than in null-sec.

2. It seems that PI was designed current way as job for people unable to spend a lot of time in game, as some mean for them to do something and to not get left completely behind all other carebears. Doubt such people would be able to draft some fleet to protect their assets. At least it would be harder in anarchy low-secs than in sovereignty null-secs as you have to be part of some big alliance to work in null-sec, but can be alone in low-sec.

3. The absence of CONCORD/Navy is the only actual difference between high-sec and low-sec at the moment, meaning low-sec is free-pirating zone. There is no place for pirates in high-secs (as NPC law present) or null-secs (replaced there with alliance wars).

Introducing "aggressive marketing" in form of fleets of null-sec alliances roaming around low-sec to eliminate PI competition would destroy remains of profit from pirating (for those doing it for profit and not just for griefing) as null-sec alliances are better organized and equipped than low-sec ones and would wipe low-sec pirates clean.

4. Doubt pirates would care enough to build POCOs, but a lot of pirates would actually love to destroy everything because that's the only thing the most of them do. And low-sec carebears are now already at disadvantage: they have all cons of null-sec carebearing (danger), but not those profits/protection.

5. Low-sec POSes are now at least partially fueled using low-sec PI. Even now it might be pretty hard to find enough Noble Metals for all POSes, but with PI becoming less possible in low-secs, some POSes will have to be simply removed because of lack of local fuel and complexity of its transportation from other places.


As a result, such changes to PI would probably lead to even more people leaving low-secs for high- or null-secs and low-secs as game concept losing even more interest.

P.S. If CCP already talking about "replacing NPC with PC wherever it possible", why not remove NPC stations/sentries from low-sec as well and make low-secs just some part of null-sec battlefield with only difference of actions affecting your Security Standing?

Ah......,what is the news now.... really! Beside history counts. But I see your learning the game well!

I still haven't found in any of these threads how many runs the bpc has......


anyone know?

On sisi they are 1-run BPCs.