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2 accounts 1 computer PVP

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Oprimo
Pride and Prestige
#1 - 2011-11-24 18:17:10 UTC
I like many have spent the time and got myself a 2nd account. Both accounts are past 50m SP now. One has good leadership and EW skills (falcon) along with other caldari skills maxed. My "alt" which is gallente and pvp build has gunnery and can fly minmatar and gallente.

My question is are there any options for playing both accounts easily one one computer. Split Screen etc... Any legal programs people use for management of the mouse and keyboard controls in each copy of EVE.

Is there any guides or advice people can give for this type of thing in a combat situation. I realize its easy enough while mining and other less time sensitive situations.

I would likely fly some ECM boat (probably not a falcon to start). So that toon would not require that much interaction after initial engagement. But then my main combat character would be where the majority of my attention would be.

What is the official line when using programs/hardware to assist with play. I am not talking about bots but just aids like shortcut remapping and stuff like that. I know some games who even banned the g15 keyboard. I have no intention of breaking the rules and if push comes to shove i would simply play on 2 machines and it would likely be easier. But i don't plan on getting another machine for 6 months or so and would like to try some things out now in my spare time.

Thanks
Oprimo
Hamatitio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2011-11-24 18:23:55 UTC
Oprimo wrote:
I like many have spent the time and got myself a 2nd account. Both accounts are past 50m SP now. One has good leadership and EW skills (falcon) along with other caldari skills maxed. My "alt" which is gallente and pvp build has gunnery and can fly minmatar and gallente.

My question is are there any options for playing both accounts easily one one computer. Split Screen etc... Any legal programs people use for management of the mouse and keyboard controls in each copy of EVE.

Is there any guides or advice people can give for this type of thing in a combat situation. I realize its easy enough while mining and other less time sensitive situations.

I would likely fly some ECM boat (probably not a falcon to start). So that toon would not require that much interaction after initial engagement. But then my main combat character would be where the majority of my attention would be.

What is the official line when using programs/hardware to assist with play. I am not talking about bots but just aids like shortcut remapping and stuff like that. I know some games who even banned the g15 keyboard. I have no intention of breaking the rules and if push comes to shove i would simply play on 2 machines and it would likely be easier. But i don't plan on getting another machine for 6 months or so and would like to try some things out now in my spare time.

Thanks
Oprimo


This is a grey area, I'm "pretty" sure a post a few years back said the keyboard macros were alright, but I would definitely petition a GM and ask for clarity, be very specific and keep your response to cover your ass.

I saw a post of a guy who was doing incursions in a fleet of 20? of his own accounts, using a program to delegate a specific keypress to a specific set of accounts.

I'm not sure how much above par that was, so ill refer you back to my first sentence :).

The easiest way IMO would be to get a second monitor and run a client in each. I run 2 accounts, but I have one in a covert ops either getting a warpin or keeping an eye on D scan / local / other sides of gates so that i dont get bbqd.
Mrs Sooperdudespaceman
Doomheim
#3 - 2011-11-24 23:02:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Mrs Sooperdudespaceman
G15 is fine for Eve.

You can also use a programme called: Synergy <--- afaik this is what the guy who runs 20+ accounts uses.

GM confirmation here:

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1291641&page=10#274

Also:

Multiple clients
Pidgeon Saissore
Tyrant's
Short Bus Syndicate
#4 - 2011-11-25 01:12:40 UTC
I multibox 3 accounts on a single display. Setting all to fixed window and alt tabbing fast always works for me but I have a bit of an issue with large fights with all 3 present as it severly strains my computer. What I am interested in is a way in game to combine the accounts into a single client like switching to other characters as a button on the sidebar. I doubt such a program currently exists but someone might be interested in making that change to the game.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#5 - 2011-11-25 12:37:52 UTC
use alt+ tab, you do not need to see both clients at the same time.

When you get enough experience you will know what other client is doing, all you have to do is to check that it really does it. If you use windowed mode you can alt tab twice in a second.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#6 - 2011-11-25 13:35:28 UTC
Unless your two characters have exactly the same skills and fittings you have no use for synergy.

Dual boxing on a single screen is easy, just alt and tab between windows. Don't run clients in windowed mode. You could also use a lower res client than your monitor res and overlap the windows so you can see both of their overviews and some or all of their tank and modules.

Dual boxing a falcon is so stupidly easy which is why so many people do it. I'd try something else if you actually want to make an effort. Obligatory **** FALCONS !

The easiest way to get into dual boxing is to have one ship setup to passive tank and require minimal module management and have that decloak / warp in first. This leaves you with only one ship you really need to pay attention to.

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Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy
Sedition.
#7 - 2011-11-28 04:52:23 UTC
second monitor? run in windowed mode and put one each screen.

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Toshiro GreyHawk
#8 - 2011-12-06 10:32:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Toshiro GreyHawk
A big part of your problem in asking advice is that what works well on one machine may not work so well on another. The hardware you're using is going to make all the difference in the world. An older system that can barely support one client while mining in a quiet system - is not a candidate for multi-client PVP, while a brand new, **** hot system may do any number of things really well.

There's also personal preference.

What works best for me ... is using multiple computers. That way - each computer only has to work one copy of EVE, I only have to glance at the monitor to see what's going on and I've merely got to move my hands from one mouse to the other to operate them. Synergy would save you this trouble as you could keep your hand on the mouse and just move it. Look up Synergy on Wikipedia for a description of what it does and it's history.

Alt Tabbing - works really badly for me. There is a distinct transition period during which I can't move the mouse. That period lasts longer on some computers than others - but is not something I'd want to do while PVPing. If it works well for others - then good for them - but I'm not going to do it.

My experience with using Windows Mode - is that it distinctly slows down EVE's operation. I can do it - but things will be slower.

Also - what worked well before - does not work well now. EVE has become more bloated and takes more horse power. Machines I had that worked well with 3 clients running before ... now bog down with 3.

I have a couple of older P4 2.53 Ghz systems running XP, with a newer ATI AGP adapter and at the moment (I have the extra RAM) only 1.5 GB of memory. I can run 2 clients on these really well but they strain at 3 - and that is alt tabbing. I'd not think of running them windowed like that - or - of doing PVP with multiple clients on these machines.

I've also got a Dell MSP1530 Laptop that is much faster - but still I prefer to use multiple computers while doing any form of combat.


My suggestion would be - to go run some missions in whatever configuration you think you want to try and see how that works. Then possibly try some of the other options. When you get with one that works best for you - use that.

... and ... of course ... the first time you try anything with PVP ... use cheap ships ...


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ZANE VOIDSTALKER
Space Wizards.
Tactical Narcotics Team
#9 - 2011-12-06 12:47:42 UTC
first off get a vid card allows mutlipule moniters, set them up so easy see them both
now bother your toons shouldnt require mass attention like 2 nano ships.
some good combo's are a heavy taclkle like dualweb cane and 2nd toon in oneirus
another option is good solo pvp ship with second toon in a ewar like scorpion or falcon way out there at 100km .


now combat tackle with your main get you orbit and webs on then set your logi or ewar up
if you have time best set them up ahead time nothing like a logi or falcon uncloaking at range and start doing it thing to make a war target cringe


now the problem since 2 patches ago ccp added a new warning and when ever your alt gets aggression it cuts off it mods, it even cuts off you on transporters booster links etc to your own corp and fleet mates hope they fixed that **** with new patch lol
Mentat Cthulhu
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2011-12-06 13:59:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Mentat Cthulhu
I started just using 1 monitor and it works fine but having 2 is better. I can easily see when falcon is in trouble and overload jammers/change focus to tacklers etc without missing anything happening with my main. I use falcon in at like 40-50km for max jamming chance, when you're starting maybe 100km is better.

Scimitar + shield cane or some other cheapish shield nano ship is great also. Just kind of approach, tackle and shoot with the cane. Manually fly the scimitar to avoid tackle while keeping reps on the cane. Bug out if you need to and don't worry about leaving the cane. Once you get a big of practice upgrade to something like vaga, ishtar or sleipner.
Worpout
DEMONS OF THE HIDDEN MIST
#11 - 2011-12-06 18:31:48 UTC
**** falcon. Don't use two screens. Have your falcon char minimized, and uncloaked on a gate with no sound.

























.....Please? =D
drdxie
#12 - 2011-12-06 19:10:41 UTC
I have tried to characters actively PvPing on 1 screen in window and full screen alt tab. Window works best so you can overlap them, I just click on the part of the screen that stick out of the overlapped screen to switch. It still however doesn't make it easy to PvP with 2 characters, probably cause I am terrible at it even with one character Oops. In a few days one of my characters will be in an onyx, so the plan is to have it sit there with bubble up and then I don't have to worry about it... is this a good approach, probably not.. but what the hell its all fun anyway Lol

Caldari Loving needed.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1608277&#post1608277

Merlin Centarii
Sundown Logistics
#13 - 2011-12-06 19:18:07 UTC
Metal Icarus
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#14 - 2011-12-06 20:25:37 UTC
I got a similar setup, much less SP. 1 caldari 1 minmatar and I use 2 monitors. Yes, falcon-cane is win, and so does RAPIER NAGA!

Get a second monitor, it is way better than alt tabbing especially in combat!
Viule Sawyr
ORCA.
#15 - 2011-12-06 21:49:31 UTC
The problem of using a Falcon or Logistics, is while it might help you win fights it really doesn't teach you have to PVP successfully without always having the crutch. Now a Falcon or Logistics can be very key ship in pushing the limits of what you can take on, but most just use it as a crutch to being bad at PVP.

I'd suggest learn to PVP and pick yourself a main ship that you can afford to lose often, be it just a Frig, Cruiser or BC then use your second alt as a scout in a covt ops. Having a fast cloaky scout that can probe will get you a hell of a lot more fights than what a Falcon or a Logistics ship will.

Not to mention a Falcon really isn't that great as a scout, they are easy to catch on gates if it's camped by a competent group and the second it's spotted,say jumping through a gate by some other cloaky scout.. well your gig is up and you likely wont get a fight.
The Racketeer
Doomheim
#16 - 2011-12-12 21:30:46 UTC
I have triple boxed with BCs... One EHP bait tackler with 2 other DPS fitted. I used them to hit solo roamers.

My best kill was on a faction fit loki worth half a bill. The loot drop was worth quite a more then the fleet I used to kill him.
lacal
Meltdown Technologies
#17 - 2011-12-13 13:22:12 UTC
My preferred method is to use one client as a fleet booster, you did say one toon had good leadership? A loki works well and can fit 4 tech 2 links along with a probe launcher and cloak, ECCM's in the mids allow you to remain virtually un-probeable (is that a word?) when boosting.

You can then use this toon as your scout/prober and find targets for your 'main' to swoop in on - loki gets a bonus to the skirmish warfare set, coupled with the skirmish warfare mindlink you get roughly 50% boost to point/scram/web range, 30ish % sig radius reduction and 30ish % AB/MWD speed boost. The fourth link you can give a 20ish% bonus to shield or armour resists or even sensor strength.

Benefits of this method include not using a falcon, having full concentration on your main when engaging and looking on paper like a 'leet' solo pvper. You can also drop the window resolution and switch of all the graphical frippery on the boosting client.
nasty1
R-.A.-G.-E
#18 - 2011-12-13 15:07:48 UTC
alt tab nahh... never

win 7, (windowed) Ctrl click eve on taskbar to swop 2 client's, lot better then (alt tabbing)
Griznatch
Distinguished Gentleman's Boating Club
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#19 - 2011-12-13 18:34:18 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Unless your two characters have exactly the same skills and fittings you have no use for synergy.

Dual boxing on a single screen is easy, just alt and tab between windows. Don't run clients in windowed mode. You could also use a lower res client than your monitor res and overlap the windows so you can see both of their overviews and some or all of their tank and modules.

Dual boxing a falcon is so stupidly easy which is why so many people do it. I'd try something else if you actually want to make an effort. Obligatory **** FALCONS !

The easiest way to get into dual boxing is to have one ship setup to passive tank and require minimal module management and have that decloak / warp in first. This leaves you with only one ship you really need to pay attention to.



Synergy doesnt apply keypresses to multiple clients at the same time, it simply allows you to share a mouse and keyboard across multiple machines. It makes 2 (or more) seperate machines behave like a single machine with multiple monitors. Its literally the best thing ever.

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Kush Monster
Big Tobacco
#20 - 2011-12-15 02:03:18 UTC
nasty1 wrote:
alt tab nahh... never

win 7, (windowed) Ctrl click eve on taskbar to swop 2 client's, lot better then (alt tabbing)


good tip. This will save me some time at work too!

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