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Rorqual improvement idea
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twit brent
Never Not AFK
#1 - 2014-01-17 19:10:17 UTC
For a ship that has "support and sustain large-scale mining operations in uninhabited areas of space" in its description it spends nearly all its time sitting at a POS. Outside of a POS the industrial core is very close to being a suicide button.

What i suggest is adding a large + Magnetometric boost while the industrial core is running making it impossible to probe down the ship. This allows the rorqual to operate without a POS and truly be a deep space mining operations vessel.

I would imagine this would be very easy to implement and would introduce miners to new areas of space. Also would breathe some life into a very under used ship.
Ham burgers
Flowers of Happiness
#2 - 2014-01-17 19:22:24 UTC
So you want your ship to be completely safe?
twit brent
Never Not AFK
#3 - 2014-01-17 19:28:18 UTC  |  Edited by: twit brent
Ham burgers wrote:
So you want your ship to be completely safe?


As it is they will only ever be used inside a POS which is completely safe, i just want to remove the need of a POS and make it a true deep space mining vessel.

Even like this ships that can be probed will need to warp to it to drop off ore ect ect
WilliamMays
Stuffs Inc.
#4 - 2014-01-17 22:27:14 UTC
you still need a pos to store all the incoming ore

the intel tool we deserve, the intel tool we need
twit brent
Never Not AFK
#5 - 2014-01-18 00:37:52 UTC
WilliamMays wrote:
you still need a pos to store all the incoming ore


All the ore will go into the rorqual and be compressed. The time the rorqual would be most vunerable would be when a hauler is dropping ore at it and and has the possibility to be scanned down.
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#6 - 2014-01-18 04:21:46 UTC
can we just separate the link bonus from the indy core for starters? a few other details might make the rorq a better option for operating out of pos and if we're lucky, out of station systems too.
Johnson Dragoon
Doomheim
#7 - 2014-01-18 06:00:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Johnson Dragoon
twit brent wrote:
WilliamMays wrote:
you still need a pos to store all the incoming ore


All the ore will go into the rorqual and be compressed. The time the rorqual would be most vunerable would be when a hauler is dropping ore at it and and has the possibility to be scanned down.



POS can still be found with probes, spies, and ectra. What you suggest is making Rorqual's unscannable.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#8 - 2014-01-18 07:02:48 UTC
Rowells wrote:
can we just separate the link bonus from the indy core for starters? a few other details might make the rorq a better option for operating out of pos and if we're lucky, out of station systems too.

^^ This.

Basically, make it a carrier stat-wise.

It already has the ganking and Remote Rep abilities... it just needs carrier-like stats and the Industrial Core to give Triage-like bonuses (see: gives better local and remote tank).

How did you Veterans start?
twit brent
Never Not AFK
#9 - 2014-01-18 14:49:08 UTC
Johnson Dragoon wrote:
twit brent wrote:
WilliamMays wrote:
you still need a pos to store all the incoming ore


All the ore will go into the rorqual and be compressed. The time the rorqual would be most vunerable would be when a hauler is dropping ore at it and and has the possibility to be scanned down.



POS can still be found with probes, spies, and ectra. What you suggest is making Rorqual's unscannable.


Yes thats exactly what im saying, it needs to be unscannable. Thats the whole point! a safe place to put the ore and get it compressed which is the entire idea of the ship if you read its description.

The barges and haulers ect will still be scannable so the mining op is not without risk. Just remember those 0.0 ores are not worth much more than empire ores so the risk/reward is about right.
Gimme more Cynos
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-01-18 15:03:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Gimme more Cynos
They issue is the Core, which makes you a sitting duck once you use it.

I would have loved to use my Rorq for something else while beeing in 0.0, but it wouldn't have helped if it would have been unscannable. Remove the bonus from the core (bake it into the hull itself), and the ship is golden Imho.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#11 - 2014-01-18 15:49:01 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Rowells wrote:
can we just separate the link bonus from the indy core for starters? a few other details might make the rorq a better option for operating out of pos and if we're lucky, out of station systems too.

^^ This.

Basically, make it a carrier stat-wise.

It already has the ganking and Remote Rep abilities... it just needs carrier-like stats and the Industrial Core to give Triage-like bonuses (see: gives better local and remote tank).


I don't know this ShahFluffers guy, but I sure find myself agreeing with him a lot.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Johnson Dragoon
Doomheim
#12 - 2014-01-18 16:15:32 UTC
twit brent wrote:
Johnson Dragoon wrote:
twit brent wrote:
WilliamMays wrote:
you still need a pos to store all the incoming ore


All the ore will go into the rorqual and be compressed. The time the rorqual would be most vunerable would be when a hauler is dropping ore at it and and has the possibility to be scanned down.



POS can still be found with probes, spies, and ectra. What you suggest is making Rorqual's unscannable.


Yes thats exactly what im saying, it needs to be unscannable. Thats the whole point! a safe place to put the ore and get it compressed which is the entire idea of the ship if you read its description.

The barges and haulers ect will still be scannable so the mining op is not without risk. Just remember those 0.0 ores are not worth much more than empire ores so the risk/reward is about right.



No, I will never agree to that, making it unscannable is laughable. If you want to be unscannable, fit a cloak. Or fit a ship that goes so fast that by the time they warp to you, you will already be off grid.

I will never agree to have a ship as a stat bonus be unscannable due to space magic: Now not only do you make rorquals even harder to catch. (At least you can still catch them camping out in a pos, just requires some bashing.) But by making them unscannable you allow them to sit in a safe spot in space, and whenever someone pops up in local. Well sheeet, all the miners and haulers just docked. Oh well in catching that capital indy ship that is the size of a small moon, but magically unscannable.
twit brent
Never Not AFK
#13 - 2014-01-18 16:47:41 UTC
Johnson Dragoon wrote:
twit brent wrote:
Johnson Dragoon wrote:
twit brent wrote:
WilliamMays wrote:
you still need a pos to store all the incoming ore


All the ore will go into the rorqual and be compressed. The time the rorqual would be most vunerable would be when a hauler is dropping ore at it and and has the possibility to be scanned down.



POS can still be found with probes, spies, and ectra. What you suggest is making Rorqual's unscannable.


Yes thats exactly what im saying, it needs to be unscannable. Thats the whole point! a safe place to put the ore and get it compressed which is the entire idea of the ship if you read its description.

The barges and haulers ect will still be scannable so the mining op is not without risk. Just remember those 0.0 ores are not worth much more than empire ores so the risk/reward is about right.



No, I will never agree to that, making it unscannable is laughable. If you want to be unscannable, fit a cloak. Or fit a ship that goes so fast that by the time they warp to you, you will already be off grid.

I will never agree to have a ship as a stat bonus be unscannable due to space magic: Now not only do you make rorquals even harder to catch. (At least you can still catch them camping out in a pos, just requires some bashing.) But by making them unscannable you allow them to sit in a safe spot in space, and whenever someone pops up in local. Well sheeet, all the miners and haulers just docked. Oh well in catching that capital indy ship that is the size of a small moon, but magically unscannable.


So your ok with it cloaking but not being unscannable?
Johnson Dragoon
Doomheim
#14 - 2014-01-18 18:43:38 UTC
twit brent wrote:


So your ok with it cloaking but not being unscannable?


Yes, cause cloaking heavily nerfs your vessel. The way you are speaking about not able to be scanned down, you make it sound like it just a tacked on bonus for flying a capital ship that not design for combat.
twit brent
Never Not AFK
#15 - 2014-01-19 09:11:15 UTC
Johnson Dragoon wrote:
twit brent wrote:


So your ok with it cloaking but not being unscannable?


Yes, cause cloaking heavily nerfs your vessel. The way you are speaking about not able to be scanned down, you make it sound like it just a tacked on bonus for flying a capital ship that not design for combat.



The rorqual should never be in comabt, if it is you severally ****** up. As it is there is no reason to mine in 0.0 because the ore is barely worth more than empire ores.

I seriously do not understand your opposition, allt his would change is the need for a POS which shouldn't be a requirement to use this ship.
Kaelina Timiar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2014-01-19 11:02:29 UTC
twit brent wrote:
Johnson Dragoon wrote:
twit brent wrote:


So your ok with it cloaking but not being unscannable?


Yes, cause cloaking heavily nerfs your vessel. The way you are speaking about not able to be scanned down, you make it sound like it just a tacked on bonus for flying a capital ship that not design for combat.



The rorqual should never be in comabt, if it is you severally ****** up. As it is there is no reason to mine in 0.0 because the ore is barely worth more than empire ores.

I seriously do not understand your opposition, allt his would change is the need for a POS which shouldn't be a requirement to use this ship.


I agree with you. We should have that added so more people move their rorq into deadspace that way people can find your ship the old fashion way of using d-scan and warping around till they are close enough to just mwd to you. You'd also be camped longer while they are trying to find you.
Evanga
DoctorOzz
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#17 - 2014-01-19 11:39:29 UTC
Why not raise the bar even further and ask for the rorqual being able to;

1. drop a mobile station which is unscannable, the rorq can dock up and still give bonusses.

2. It automatically cyno jams the entire constellation (system is not good enough)

3. Automatically give skirmish and information warfarelink bonusses

4. All exhumers in fleet can micro jump drive anywhere

5. Nobody is able to enter your sysem, gates will be locked

6. Im running out of bullshit option to hand over to you