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What would happen if CCP finally nerfed hisec?

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Dave Stark
#1001 - 2014-01-18 08:43:11 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
150mil is sustainable


Bullshit.
Plain and simple, bullshit.


stop insisting on doing armour fleets, and you'll see that it is.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#1002 - 2014-01-18 08:50:35 UTC  |  Edited by: SmilingVagrant
Shame the transaction log seems to cut off past a certain date on my eve client, as it's been two years since I did incursions for cash, but 100-120M an hour wasn't rare back then with just mostly T2 fit Zealots. I understand the morning crew would get to almost 200M/h just by blitzing the easy sites after downtime till the systems were "Poisoned" by repopping with the crappy mining sites.

This is not counting LP.

I'd have been curious to see what our numbers would have been like if we all started pimping our ships with officer mods so we could fit more DPS modules over tank, but honestly most of us were using this money to fund PVP warchests or buy carrier pilots. Throwing a billion isk module would have just gotten in the way and made us juicier targets.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#1003 - 2014-01-18 09:03:03 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
blabla4711 wrote:


You lied. And you promised to provide data to support your lies which you didnt do and cant, of course.

Poor tries to play the ball back to me. Go back playing with yourself, laughable liar. Lol


EVE Survival has detailed info on every mission. EVE Uni has detailed info on incursions.


Are you saying that detailed info on these sites are lies?


Post #1000!!!

And the discussion has still amounted to **** all.

Well played GD, well played.

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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#1004 - 2014-01-18 10:17:14 UTC
Diamond Zerg wrote:
Hello.

My prediction: Suddenly EVE becomes much more fun, and a better game in general.

Bots are no longer worthwhile as they make easy targets for PvPers.
The EVE economy becomes dominated by intelligent humans, not machines or "bot aspirant" grinders.

Due to the rapid deflation of the market, low and nullsec players find it much easier to use ingame methods to make ISK
(as their main competition, the botting/multiboxing afk/semi afk hisec players' advantage has been nullified.)

Solo and small gang pvp can now be found in abundance as there are targets and organisations of varying sizes everywhere.

Politics and the metagame get a lot deeper as even PvE focused gamers would have to consider how other players affect their gameplay.


What are your thoughts on what would happen if CCP finally nerfed hisec?

Edit:

Hold on a minute guys, I'm getting a lot of replies about how the hisec PvE population will quit.

To me, this doesn't make much sense. There are many other games with a much more focused, sophisticated PVE experience.

Why would many PvE gamers play a game that doesn't have much PvE content?


50 pages and 4 likes, you win Eve. I was going to say this has de-evolved into an Incursion vs. Mission thread, but perhaps evolved would be a better word. I wonder what on earth you are talking about to begin with, and where how you drew your conclusions?

1. I assume you meant lower the income of hisec dwellers? If so...

How does it become "a better game in general"?

Most of the income from bots is nullsec mission bots and low sec courier mission bots. They are already PvP targets. I don't understand how less money in the economy will accomplish this.

Rapid deflation of the market is terrible for any economy, and again you assume the people are making a killing multiboxing, botting, or semi afking, all practices that also take place in low and nullsec. If the economy is ****** then Nullbears and lolsex0rz won't have any advantage.

There are already "targets and organisations of varying sizes everywhere". What Eve Online do you play?

What PvE focused gamers want to stick around for less money over time? People with more time. Botters and AFK'ers.






internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1005 - 2014-01-18 10:26:25 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:

Most of the income from bots is nullsec mission bots and low sec courier mission bots.


80% of bots are in high sec with most of that residing in caldari space.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#1006 - 2014-01-18 10:35:11 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:

Most of the income from bots is nullsec mission bots and low sec courier mission bots.


80% of bots are in high sec with most of that residing in caldari space.

Citation needed from both of you as to where the 'active' bots are.
Yes, CCP's bot bans have hit The Forge hard.... Almost like they include Spam Bots as 'Bots'.
Neither of you have any evidence where mission bots & ratting bots happen to live.

The only thing we know is that they do exist.
Dave Stark
#1007 - 2014-01-18 10:40:34 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:

Most of the income from bots is nullsec mission bots and low sec courier mission bots.


80% of bots are in high sec with most of that residing in caldari space.

Citation needed from both of you as to where the 'active' bots are.
Yes, CCP's bot bans have hit The Forge hard.... Almost like they include Spam Bots as 'Bots'.
Neither of you have any evidence where mission bots & ratting bots happen to live.

The only thing we know is that they do exist.


ccp gave us that information. it has been common knowledge for quite some time that most of the bots are in high sec, mostly the forge.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#1008 - 2014-01-18 10:42:32 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:

Most of the income from bots is nullsec mission bots and low sec courier mission bots.


80% of bots are in high sec with most of that residing in caldari space.

Citation needed from both of you as to where the 'active' bots are.
Yes, CCP's bot bans have hit The Forge hard.... Almost like they include Spam Bots as 'Bots'.
Neither of you have any evidence where mission bots & ratting bots happen to live.

The only thing we know is that they do exist.


Sorry man but there is a train wreck headed your way.

CCP has released figures that show that 80% of bots have, in fact, been found in High Sec. That release has been posted on other threads of this nature. Right now, someone is digging it up for you.

However, I don't know that the data supports that the player utilizing the bot is a full-time High Sec resident. Meaning that the bot owner could very well be a Null resident using the bot in High Sec to fund their other endeavors in Null.

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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#1009 - 2014-01-18 11:00:04 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:

Most of the income from bots is nullsec mission bots and low sec courier mission bots.


80% of bots are in high sec with most of that residing in caldari space.

Citation needed from both of you as to where the 'active' bots are.
Yes, CCP's bot bans have hit The Forge hard.... Almost like they include Spam Bots as 'Bots'.
Neither of you have any evidence where mission bots & ratting bots happen to live.

The only thing we know is that they do exist.


Sorry man but there is a train wreck headed your way.

CCP has released figures that show that 80% of bots have, in fact, been found in High Sec. That release has been posted on other threads of this nature. Right now, someone is digging it up for you.

However, I don't know that the data supports that the player utilizing the bot is a full-time High Sec resident. Meaning that the bot owner could very well be a Null resident using the bot in High Sec to fund their other endeavors in Null.


Found that data.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1010 - 2014-01-18 14:04:19 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:

Most of the income from bots is nullsec mission bots and low sec courier mission bots.


80% of bots are in high sec with most of that residing in caldari space.

Citation needed from both of you as to where the 'active' bots are.
Yes, CCP's bot bans have hit The Forge hard.... Almost like they include Spam Bots as 'Bots'.
Neither of you have any evidence where mission bots & ratting bots happen to live.

The only thing we know is that they do exist.


Sorry man but there is a train wreck headed your way.

CCP has released figures that show that 80% of bots have, in fact, been found in High Sec. That release has been posted on other threads of this nature. Right now, someone is digging it up for you.

However, I don't know that the data supports that the player utilizing the bot is a full-time High Sec resident. Meaning that the bot owner could very well be a Null resident using the bot in High Sec to fund their other endeavors in Null.


Found that data.


Yeah, owned.

Turns out the "PVE server", so to speak, is where all the bots are.

Just like every other game.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Josef Djugashvilis
#1011 - 2014-01-18 14:11:49 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:

Most of the income from bots is nullsec mission bots and low sec courier mission bots.


80% of bots are in high sec with most of that residing in caldari space.

Citation needed from both of you as to where the 'active' bots are.
Yes, CCP's bot bans have hit The Forge hard.... Almost like they include Spam Bots as 'Bots'.
Neither of you have any evidence where mission bots & ratting bots happen to live.

The only thing we know is that they do exist.


Sorry man but there is a train wreck headed your way.

CCP has released figures that show that 80% of bots have, in fact, been found in High Sec. That release has been posted on other threads of this nature. Right now, someone is digging it up for you.

However, I don't know that the data supports that the player utilizing the bot is a full-time High Sec resident. Meaning that the bot owner could very well be a Null resident using the bot in High Sec to fund their other endeavors in Null.


Botters are cheats, it does not matter what security sec the botter comes from.

This is not a signature.
Spurty
#1012 - 2014-01-18 15:28:39 UTC
We'll look what happens when they try to promote team work in null.

Tear jars would fill at an alarming rate (unless you sell them)

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

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Dave Stark
#1013 - 2014-01-18 15:33:21 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Botters are cheats, it does not matter what security sec the botter comes from.

even captain obvious doesn't take a week off. that's dedication, folks!
Dave Stark
#1014 - 2014-01-18 15:34:31 UTC
Spurty wrote:
We'll look what happens when they try to promote team work in null.

Tear jars would fill at an alarming rate (unless you sell them)


this doesn't promote teamwork in any way what so ever.
Mr Blah Blahson
Doomheim
#1015 - 2014-01-18 15:41:50 UTC
I would support doing something about hi-sec profits. I do not support the suggestions of lowering profits across the board though.

I think getting rid of the insane hi-sec profiteering and promoting low/null/WH profiteering is best achieved by limiting number of accounts logged in at once. There has been a 12-barge botting setup that moved to my system recently and has pretty much taken over. No one can get a fair share of ores in the system as these bots are on right after DT, and finished within a few hours.

Remove the ability to open up more than, say, 3 characters at once. Bye bye hi-sec botting.
Dave Stark
#1016 - 2014-01-18 15:43:40 UTC
Mr Blah Blahson wrote:
I would support doing something about hi-sec profits. I do not support the suggestions of lowering profits across the board though.

I think getting rid of the insane hi-sec profiteering and promoting low/null/WH profiteering is best achieved by limiting number of accounts logged in at once. There has been a 12-barge botting setup that moved to my system recently and has pretty much taken over. No one can get a fair share of ores in the system as these bots are on right after DT, and finished within a few hours.

Remove the ability to open up more than, say, 3 characters at once. Bye bye hi-sec botting.


i assume you have proof this guy is using a bot?
Josef Djugashvilis
#1017 - 2014-01-18 15:46:31 UTC
Mr Blah Blahson wrote:
I would support doing something about hi-sec profits. I do not support the suggestions of lowering profits across the board though.

I think getting rid of the insane hi-sec profiteering and promoting low/null/WH profiteering is best achieved by limiting number of accounts logged in at once. There has been a 12-barge botting setup that moved to my system recently and has pretty much taken over. No one can get a fair share of ores in the system as these bots are on right after DT, and finished within a few hours.

Remove the ability to open up more than, say, 3 characters at once. Bye bye hi-sec botting.


I you have reason to suspect that someone is botting, CCP will be pleased to hear from you.

If it is multi-boxing or what ever it is called, whatever turns them on man.

This is not a signature.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#1018 - 2014-01-19 05:44:16 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:

Most of the income from bots is nullsec mission bots and low sec courier mission bots.


80% of bots are in high sec with most of that residing in caldari space.


And they make about 10% of a null mission runner.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#1019 - 2014-01-19 06:29:00 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:


Found that data.

Except that data only shows where bots were banned in 2011.
Not where they are currently active.
Nor what type of bots were banned.

Which was my point. CCP knows that in 2011 (Fanfest 2012 being early 2012, so primarily 2011 figures) they banned a whole lot of bots in certain places. Great. So... where is the breakdown of bots purpose. As well as the 2012 figures, and the 2013 figures.

After the trashing you tried to give my maths when it was based on a hell of a lot better data than you are claiming.

You are also claiming isk/hr is obviously the only factor mission bots take into account by deciding where to play. And that if isk/hr were higher in Nullsec they would take the vastly increased risk. Which, quite frankly is rubbish.
Serene Repose
#1020 - 2014-01-19 08:46:07 UTC
Hi sec isn't nerfed? When didn't that happen?

We must accommodate the idiocracy.