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[GRD] Gradient leaving Electus Matari
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Anslo
Scope Works
#21 - 2014-01-14 15:47:16 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Can you explain why this policy is a thing for you, Rodjy?


He probably wants to know if they'll keep killing PIE.

My guess? Yeah.

Oh no I can see why he'd think EM would suddenly go pro-Amarr and hold a delightful garden party for Holders with tea and ******* crumpets.

Yeah. I can see exactly how he thought it'd happen.

Exactly.

Yep.

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Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#22 - 2014-01-14 17:55:26 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Ava Starfire wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Can you explain why this policy is a thing for you, Rodjy?


He probably wants to know if they'll keep killing PIE.

My guess? Yeah.

Oh no I can see why he'd think EM would suddenly go pro-Amarr and hold a delightful garden party for Holders with tea and ******* crumpets.

Yeah. I can see exactly how he thought it'd happen.

Exactly.

Yep.


Your skepticism is more than valid. Instead of thinking of the question from your point of view, Anslo, think of it from his. When you do, the reason he asked that particular question becomes more clear.

Rodj Blake is no fool.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26
Anslo
Scope Works
#23 - 2014-01-14 17:58:24 UTC
Well I am. Spoil the surprise and give me your thoughts on it.

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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#24 - 2014-01-14 18:35:58 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Can you explain why this policy is a thing for you, Rodjy?


He probably wants to know if they'll keep killing PIE.

My guess? Yeah.



It's more that I'm interested to know which side you'll be supporting when the inevitable falling out happens.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Del Vikus
Sundered Core
#25 - 2014-01-14 19:32:57 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Ava Starfire wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Can you explain why this policy is a thing for you, Rodjy?


He probably wants to know if they'll keep killing PIE.

My guess? Yeah.



It's more that I'm interested to know which side you'll be supporting when the inevitable falling out happens.


What "falling out" are you referring to?

What "sides" are there?

I'm not being obtuse, here. I'm genuinely curious to know what you think the divisions and the issues are.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#26 - 2014-01-14 20:00:38 UTC
This is mere wishful thinking on Blake's part. There will be no "falling out" between the Republic's various factions any more than there will be in the State between theirs (Liberals vs Practicals vs Patriots) or in his Empire (Traditionalists vs Reformers).

Quit trying to stir the pot, Blake. There's no division or discord among our people no matter how much you may wish it.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#27 - 2014-01-14 20:14:08 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
This is mere wishful thinking on Blake's part. There will be no "falling out" between the Republic's various factions any more than there will be in the State between theirs (Liberals vs Practicals vs Patriots) or in his Empire (Traditionalists vs Reformers).

Quit trying to stir the pot, Blake. There's no division or discord among our people no matter how much you may wish it.


If I may say so, there have been civil wars between those factions in the past. Your "never" can easily become the "eventually" in an Amarrian lifetime. It isn't stirring the pot, or he'd have gotten someone else to say it.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26
Del Vikus
Sundered Core
#28 - 2014-01-14 20:26:59 UTC
Constantin Baracca wrote:


If I may say so, there have been civil wars between those factions in the past. Your "never" can easily become the "eventually" in an Amarrian lifetime. It isn't stirring the pot, or he'd have gotten someone else to say it.


It's just piling hypotheticals on hypotheticals.

We've stated our position, formally and informally: we support the Tribal Council and the reorganization of the political bodies of the Republic. We appreciate that it was done peacefully and with the support of all parties.

Asking us to comment on what might happen once a rebellion "could" happen is precisely the kind of "pot stirring" Anabella was referring to.

Not rising to the bait on that one. You have our position. There are no nuances to reflect on.
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#29 - 2014-01-14 21:15:10 UTC
Del Vikus wrote:
Constantin Baracca wrote:


If I may say so, there have been civil wars between those factions in the past. Your "never" can easily become the "eventually" in an Amarrian lifetime. It isn't stirring the pot, or he'd have gotten someone else to say it.


It's just piling hypotheticals on hypotheticals.

We've stated our position, formally and informally: we support the Tribal Council and the reorganization of the political bodies of the Republic. We appreciate that it was done peacefully and with the support of all parties.

Asking us to comment on what might happen once a rebellion "could" happen is precisely the kind of "pot stirring" Anabella was referring to.

Not rising to the bait on that one. You have our position. There are no nuances to reflect on.


You do realize that Amarrians don't fish for conflict using their real identities, right? Nor was Blake asking you the question you think he's asking.

Though your answer to me probably answers the question he was looking for. "Rebellion" indeed.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26
Del Vikus
Sundered Core
#30 - 2014-01-14 21:32:36 UTC
Constantin Baracca wrote:


You do realize that Amarrians don't fish for conflict using their real identities, right? Nor was Blake asking you the question you think he's asking.

Though your answer to me probably answers the question he was looking for. "Rebellion" indeed.


The eccentricities and subtleties of Imperial courts are apparently lost on this poor Tribal, because I haven't got a clue who is asking what and what "correct" answer you or Blake is apparently looking for.

It's not often I'm happy I was born on a dusty backwater rock. But not regretting it now.
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#31 - 2014-01-14 22:04:28 UTC
Del Vikus wrote:
Constantin Baracca wrote:


You do realize that Amarrians don't fish for conflict using their real identities, right? Nor was Blake asking you the question you think he's asking.

Though your answer to me probably answers the question he was looking for. "Rebellion" indeed.


The eccentricities and subtleties of Imperial courts are apparently lost on this poor Tribal, because I haven't got a clue who is asking what and what "correct" answer you or Blake is apparently looking for.

It's not often I'm happy I was born on a dusty backwater rock. But not regretting it now.


I can't say that I blame you. It's not what I'd call fun, just a necessity in my line of work. Thank you for the honest answer regardless.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26
Karynn Denton
Lekhantsi Salvage Depot
#32 - 2014-01-15 12:47:45 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
There's no division or discord among our people no matter how much you may wish it.


Willful ignorance or just naivety?

And don't get me started on the prejudice I've experienced firsthand from Republic Customs officials!

Karynn Denton

Caravan Master
Del Vikus
Sundered Core
#33 - 2014-01-15 14:55:34 UTC
Karynn Denton wrote:

Willful ignorance or just naivety?


Well, Anabella was speaking about Gradient, not the Republic at large. But your example of Brutor-Thukker tension is pretty thin broth.

I know the Thukkers have taken a rather different path than some of the other Tribes, and have experienced a different side of the Republic than others, but in the end, they are equal partners in the enterprise. The new Tribal Council should be a cause for celebration for your people.
Karynn Denton
Lekhantsi Salvage Depot
#34 - 2014-01-15 16:00:35 UTC
Del Vikus wrote:
Well, Anabella was speaking about Gradient, not the Republic at large.


That's a relief.

Del Vikus wrote:
I know the Thukkers have taken a rather different path than some of the other Tribes, and have experienced a different side of the Republic than others, but in the end, they are equal partners in the enterprise.


Heh. On paper, yes.
In practice there's still a lot of distrust and prejudice. On both sides. Many of us accept that our ways simply aren't compatible with the Republic. The Fuldis Caravan found that out the hard way.

Del Vikus wrote:
The new Tribal Council should be a cause for celebration for your people.


The reforms are indeed encouraging. Our Caravan Master recently expressed our hopes in another thread:

Zenito wrote:
For me, these recent developments are encouraging; all this talk of Tribal independence makes further Thukker integration into the Republic highly unlikely. A confederation of sovereign Tribal States, free in their own foreign affairs and business dealings, actually begins to look both tangible and appealing.

Karynn Denton

Caravan Master
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#35 - 2014-01-17 20:44:03 UTC
As all Tribal Chiefs have confirmed their support to the new government, we consider it the legal government of the Minmatar Republic that we are oath-sworn to protect and follow.

Should a falling-out happen between the tribes or along other loyalty lines inside the Republic, Gradient will do its best to determine where the tribal authority places legal decision power in the Republic, and follow that.

Gladly, it seems to me personally, that the likelihood of that event is now lower than it was a year ago, and that this is fast becoming a wholly academic concern.

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Diplomat
Gradient
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#36 - 2014-01-18 01:12:03 UTC
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:

Should a falling-out happen between the tribes or along other loyalty lines inside the Republic.


I don't think they'd be calling it a Republic at that point.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#37 - 2014-01-18 11:01:12 UTC
That is a possibility.

I cannot comment on any possible contingency plans of Gradient in the case of total breakdown of the Republic, obviously. Suffice to say that as the corporation is a multi-tribal, even multi-national, operation in support of the tribal coalition, it would be require a major change, and possible directions of change are probably not even predictable in the current stable state.

But this is starting to be quite beside the point of this thread.

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Diplomat
Gradient
Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#38 - 2014-01-19 14:28:58 UTC
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
That is a possibility.

I cannot comment on any possible contingency plans of Gradient in the case of total breakdown of the Republic, obviously. Suffice to say that as the corporation is a multi-tribal, even multi-national, operation in support of the tribal coalition, it would be require a major change, and possible directions of change are probably not even predictable in the current stable state.

But this is starting to be quite beside the point of this thread.

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Diplomat
Gradient


You'll still shoot PIE though, right?

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#39 - 2014-01-19 18:56:47 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:
You'll still shoot PIE though, right?


As stated, at the time of our leaving, we adopted Electus Matari's red list. I have hard time seeing any change in either our policy or that of PIE Inc that would lead to removal of that hostile status. So, yes.

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Diplomat
Gradient
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#40 - 2014-01-20 03:44:57 UTC
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
Ava Starfire wrote:
You'll still shoot PIE though, right?


As stated, at the time of our leaving, we adopted Electus Matari's red list. I have hard time seeing any change in either our policy or that of PIE Inc that would lead to removal of that hostile status. So, yes.

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Diplomat
Gradient


To be fair, if you're seeing PIE, you're seeing them in the legislated warzone. All the Matari are shooting at PIE if they're in the warzone. That's why people fly there. so the rest of us can have business relations in relative peace.

I guess the better question is, what about groups not involved in the warzone fighting?

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26