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EVE PVP - The Throwaway Tournament

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Victor Andall
#1 - 2014-01-09 17:04:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Victor Andall
UPDATE 22/01/2014

Current collected contributions: 300 Million ISK.

Sponsors: Michael Startear, Lugalbandak and Xiao Sishen

UPDATE 19/01/2014

Current collected contributions: 150 Million ISK.

Sponsors: Lugalbandak and Xiao Sishen

UPDATE 17/01/2014

Registrations for the Tournament are now open. More details here:

http://andallcombat.wordpress.com/2014/01/17/the-throwaway-tournament/

Current collected contributions: 50 million ISK

Title changed. Original post below:


Hello,
I've been playing around with this idea in my head of organizing a PVP tournament to encourage some cheap small scale PVP within the community. Maybe give some of the new players the chance to practice PVP in a relatively controlled environment and without taking a huge hit to their budget and potentially fun for veterans as well, taking their high skills into a scenario where fitting restrictions apply.

This thread is mostly to test the waters and probe the community response to this idea.

First and foremost, of course you've already went to the reply field and started calling this a scam.

And I understand that.

So to alleviate some worries, I am thinking of setting the entry fee at a measly 1 million ISK (minimum) of which 75% will go into the prize pool and maybe an additional 5-10% awarded for various achievements. I've yet to make a decision on this. Yes, this does mean that I would keep between 15 and 25% of the entry fees for myself.

Off the top of my head, one example of an achievement would be to achieve flawless status (no ship losses) by the end of the Swiss Rounds or another would be to win a fight in a Venture and get a share of 5% of the prize pool, (based on how many people got the achievement. If only one person gets it, that person gets the full 5%).

Rules:
- The format of the tournament would be several rounds of swiss pairings ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss-system_tournament#Pairing_procedure ) followed by either top 16 or top 8 play-offs. Pairings would be generated via a specialized software. (Maybe the MTG Tournament tool since I'm familiar with it)
- A nice idea I'm considering is to stream the play-offs on Twitch.
- After pairings are made, they will be: published on a blog made specifically for this purpose as well as mailed to each player.
During the Swiss phase, the player will have a restricted period of time (let's say 3 days) to contact and agree on a location and time to duel the opponent. After the fight, they would send me the killmail.
- Podding is not a requirement, but is not forbidden either.
- The killmail WILL be checked against killboards for any assists or outside assistance to the extent to which the game allows it. Any witnessed or proven outside assistance will be considered cheating and the cheater would forfeit the match, as well as his entry fee.
- Prizes would be distributed, according to the size of the play-off, to the first half of the players that made it to either to 8 and top 16.

Ship and Fitting Restrictions:

- For the first time I will be running this I'm thinking of restricting it to only T1 Frigates - Only T1 modules, drones and ammo. No Faction equipment, no t2 equipment, nothing that has any sort of symbol in the upper left corner.
- Based on the response and feedback, this rule might be subject to change, in that a separate tournament with higher stakes and a separate prize pool may be held at the same time, if enough people show interest.
- Also based on response, turnout and overall player satisfaction, I intend to do this more in the future with slight variations, different ship classes, etc.
- Once pairings have been sent out you are officially marked for death. If the other player somehow tracks you down and singlehandedly ganks you with no assists showing up on the killmail or killboards and while respecting the other rules of the contest it will be considered a legal win. Once pairings are out, your safety and victory is your own concern. HOWEVER, the preferred engagement procedure is still an official CONCORD-sanctioned duel.
- It is recommended that you do not take part in Faction Warfare for the duration of the tournament to avoid duel interference by friendly parties.
- If any of the players cheats by accident (i.e. forgets to unfit something, undocks in the wrong ship, etc.) they may settle the matter amongst themselves and have a do-over.
- This tournament is not officially, as of this writing, a two out of three, three out of five or something like that. If players do wish to do it like this, it is between them and only them.
- In both of the previous cases described above, I would only take into account the first killmail that was sent to me. Beware of shenenigans!

Problems that may occur:
- Off the grid boosting, logistics, anything that doesn't show up on the killboards or killmail. I am looking for ideas to better enforce this without having to be present during the swiss rounds.
- People abusing any loopholes I might have left in the rules. Please point them out.

Otherwise, players are, of course, encouraged to have fun and play nice. It's only a few million in entry fees plus ships and fitting, so it should be pretty easy to play fair.

However, I am aware that this is EVE Online and morality is just a word on a dusty holodisk no one even uses anymore.

Please rate up if you like this idea, share it, share your comments, flaming, tell me how much you hate this idea and why, tell me if you like it, if you would participate and generally give me feedback and stay tuned for more details as they arise.
Thank you for your patience and your time.


The reddit post is here, for anyone who wishes to join the discussion there as well: http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1uszsb/eve_pvp_lowcost_tournament_pitch_idea_and/

I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?

19.08.2014 - Dinsdale gets slammed by CCP Falcon. Never forget.
WASPY69
Xerum.
#2 - 2014-01-09 18:34:29 UTC
Victor Andall wrote:
Reposted from a post I made on Reddit./

Almost stopped reading right there.

Unfortunately I believe this would be a horrible idea. Your prize pool relies on A LOT of people participating for a laughable sum of ISK. Come back when the prize is something a little more appealing and you will get more interest.
I don't know who you are, and I doubt anyone else does either, so you have no credibility, and thus people wouldn't trust you not turning this into some lame attempt at a Ponzie scheme.
And as far as I understand about the ship rules, it would make for some very uninteresting pvp seeing T1 fit frigs going at eachother..
Your intention is to create a show, and for a show you need big explosions. I'm talking SCL or AT levels with battleships and whatnot. But going of your idea that would require a pilot to give you hundreds of millions of isk to enter, which nobody would.
You need to GUARANTEE a big shiny prize or no one will give a **** about your little tournament.


TL;DR
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Anslo
Scope Works
#3 - 2014-01-09 18:56:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
Yes that's why the Tuskers frigate tournys are so fail...yeah.

OP your idea is aimed towards newbros who think a few mil is a lot or to people who might wanna play with t1 frigs after flying t3s so long.
In other words, this idea, I like it.

Edit: Eve mail me about this. I'd like to help.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#4 - 2014-01-09 19:04:25 UTC
My only thought on the matter would be where to hold this place, and how to secure it against interference.

Otherwise, I love the idea.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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Anslo
Scope Works
#5 - 2014-01-09 19:18:23 UTC
Dueling could occur at a safe spot at an empty high sec kept secret until the beginning of the tourny. Or you could go to low sec, an empty one, to do it. People like the Tuskers and others provide protection at their events. Maybe another group can do the same.

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Mister Simms
Society for Miner Education
#6 - 2014-01-09 20:10:48 UTC
Sounds like a fun idea. I'm all about flying cheap ships. However, I seem to have an unfortunate misunderstanding with CONCORD so I won't be able to participate. However, I do know some New Eden citizens who have stayed on the straight and narrow who might enjoy it.
WASPY69
Xerum.
#7 - 2014-01-09 22:38:39 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
My only thought on the matter would be where to hold this place, and how to secure it against interference.

Otherwise, I love the idea.

There's a reason AT takes place in Jove space on TQ, and SCL takes place on Singularity and Buckingham...
Anslo wrote:
Dueling could occur at a safe spot at an empty high sec kept secret until the beginning of the tourny. Or you could go to low sec, an empty one, to do it. People like the Tuskers and others provide protection at their events. Maybe another group can do the same.

Implying people won't use locators and combat probes... :downs:
And as for taking this into lowsec.. yeah good luck with that.

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Victor Andall
#8 - 2014-01-10 00:03:56 UTC
WASPY69 wrote:
Unfortunately I believe this would be a horrible idea. Your prize pool relies on A LOT of people participating for a laughable sum of ISK. Come back when the prize is something a little more appealing and you will get more interest.
I don't know who you are, and I doubt anyone else does either, so you have no credibility, and thus people wouldn't trust you not turning this into some lame attempt at a Ponzie scheme.


Blunt as it may be, I appreciate the feedback. And I am aware of both problems you list. However, as you said, I can't ask for more cash until I make a name for myself and I can't make a name for myself without starting low. The 1 million fee I established as a "safe" fee that no one would look twice at even if they'd suspect a scam.

For which I really can't fault anyone. One idea I had was to make the 1 million fee a minimum, with players able to pay as much as they feel comfortable with and all income going to the tournament funding.

If anyone is still suspicious I suppose I could always generate a public Wallet API key.

But thanks for your input. I can't say I don't see where you're coming from, but I'm sufficiently confident that there is a niche for this sort of thing. One that I may expand on in the future, based on the results.

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
My only thought on the matter would be where to hold this place, and how to secure it against interference.


For the duration of the Swiss rounds it would be between the paired players to decide where to duel. I was entertaining the idea to hold the play-offs somewhere at a highsec landmark, like the Titan in Luminaire or something like that.

Anslo, thanks for the offer to help. I'd like to see something actually materialize before actually involving more people, though.

Everyone else, thank you for the feedback, critique and/or enthusiasm. I have created an ingame Mailing list named Andall Combat Tournaments. Subscribe to it if you're interested in further developments.

Thanks for taking the time to read and contribute.

I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?

19.08.2014 - Dinsdale gets slammed by CCP Falcon. Never forget.
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-01-10 13:21:40 UTC
Stopped at t1 frigates.

Why?

DISCO BALL \o/ :D

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
Lugalbandak
Doomheim
#10 - 2014-01-10 13:53:21 UTC
nice idea , im willing to drop 50mil to your prize moneyzzz , just mail ingame

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Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#11 - 2014-01-10 14:14:12 UTC
You could find a corp with a C2->HS static, or a corp with a C3->HS static. You may have to pay said corp (or be friendly with them) to get them to provide some security and open up their wormhole to a bunch of outside folk (people can't be targeted in a forcefield) - I.E. Wormhole space (plus criminals and whatnot could still play).

I also think the fees for security & prizes will be pretty steep to make this work.
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-01-10 14:22:04 UTC
Noxisia Arkana wrote:
You could find a corp with a C2->HS static, or a corp with a C3->HS static. You may have to pay said corp (or be friendly with them) to get them to provide some security and open up their wormhole to a bunch of outside folk (people can't be targeted in a forcefield) - I.E. Wormhole space (plus criminals and whatnot could still play).

I also think the fees for security & prizes will be pretty steep to make this work.
That's a great idea! Then pay the owners of the hole even more to be allowed to safely warp a discoball right onto everybody! :D

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
CCP Falcon
#13 - 2014-01-10 14:41:42 UTC
Rookie ships and civilian modules.

No rewards other than the glory of being the most leet rookie ship pilot in New Eden.

Pirate

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#14 - 2014-01-10 14:44:15 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Rookie ships and civilian modules.

No rewards other than the glory of being the most leet rookie ship pilot in New Eden.

Pirate



*Gets point on Falcon*

now that I have you here, please make rookie ships have civilian MWDs or afterburners. The are teh slow.
Anslo
Scope Works
#15 - 2014-01-10 15:28:21 UTC
Actually the wormhole idea is a very good one. Imma ask around.

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Victor Andall
#16 - 2014-01-10 17:00:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Victor Andall
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Stopped at t1 frigates.

Why?

DISCO BALL \o/ :D


The idea was to at least attempt to breathe some life into the PVP scene. I thought that by making it easily accessible it might make the more PVE inclined people give PVP a try. I'm not by any means a veteran. I've only been playing for a few months, but whenever I roamed FW with my corp mates I was very disappointed. Probing the forums for a bit I found that I wasn't the only one who found PVP to be a bit lackluster in FW. I admit I only went to Low Sec a few times outside of FW and close to 0 times in null. Almost got stuck in a wormhole during my first week and narrowly escaped a gank by being near the exit at that exact second but that's another story.

However, I did mention that I am also open to holding a parallel tournament with a higher entry fee (and consequently prize pool) and one of the few limitations being using a frigate hull and nothing larger. Which everyone was going to do anyway.

CCP Falcon wrote:
Rookie ships and civilian modules.

No rewards other than the glory of being the most leet rookie ship pilot in New Eden.


Hah! This is actually close to an idea I had on the aforementioned achievements. Win a battle in a rookie ship.

Also, is there some sort of etiquette for when a Dev posts in your thread? Fawning, Swooning, Giggling?

In regards to the wormhole idea: It's a good one, and I have thought about it, but I think it would be a bit out of my budget for this edition. I'd like to keep it as simple as possible and see if anything comes out of it.

Lugalbandak wrote:
nice idea , im willing to drop 50mil to your prize moneyzzz , just mail ingame


Thank you for your offer. I would like to take this opportunity to remind anyone who's interested in participating, donating, sponsoring or just following the progress to subscribe to the in-game mailing list Andall Combat Tournaments.

Response to the idea was, as expected, skeptical for some, for which I do not blame anyone, but still largely positive both here and on Reddit, which was a pleasant surprise.

Because of this, I think I will make time during this weekend to set up a blog and give this idea a bit more structure. Please do not mail me any money just yet, be it donation, sponsorship or anything else. I'd like to have something solid in place first.

As before, thank you all for the time you've taken to read and/or contribute.

I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?

19.08.2014 - Dinsdale gets slammed by CCP Falcon. Never forget.
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#17 - 2014-01-11 00:22:29 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar
I also think the fees for security & prizes will be pretty steep to make this work.[/quote wrote:
That's a great idea! Then pay the owners of the hole even more to be allowed to safely warp a discoball right onto everybody! :D



Fair. I would generally support someone I trust in such an arrangement, but beggars can't be choosers.
Victor Andall
#18 - 2014-01-17 21:56:32 UTC
Registrations for the Tournament are now open. Those interested can find more details here:

http://andallcombat.wordpress.com/2014/01/17/the-throwaway-tournament/

Current collected contributions: 50 million ISK

I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?

19.08.2014 - Dinsdale gets slammed by CCP Falcon. Never forget.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-01-17 22:43:42 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
My only thought on the matter would be where to hold this place, and how to secure it against interference.

Otherwise, I love the idea.



Hold it in a wh. Bring enough mass in extra ships to collapse it so that entrance can't cause other outside interference perhaps?
Kyusoath Orillian
#20 - 2014-01-17 23:07:31 UTC
I wish to offer a form of sponsorship

if you pass the kill mails to me i will reimburse all losses.


so people have nothing to lose by entering.
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