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Zachary Flint
The Free Masons Corporation
#1 - 2014-01-16 03:59:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Zachary Flint
Move along
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#2 - 2014-01-16 05:01:20 UTC
Zachary Flint wrote:

I'm still not convinced: Then try it for a month at 10M. I've set the minimum investment to such a low amount not only to encourage first-time investors, but also so that all different types of players can participate. Again, even though it means more accounting for me.


Hmm, where have I heard this beforeQuestion
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#3 - 2014-01-16 05:32:56 UTC
Good luck with your enterprize. I shall pass on this one.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

Secret Squirrell
Allied Press Intergalactic
#4 - 2014-01-16 06:22:39 UTC
At only 10m to invest in your ponzi scheme, I would seriously consider it, but 10% interest is pretty poor. Can you do any better?
I Was There
Habemus
#5 - 2014-01-16 07:53:05 UTC
I guess you gave us the name of your alt, which already built up some sort of trust. Too bad you're throwing it away on such an awful scan-attempt. When would an unlimited bond ever be legit?
Zachary Flint
The Free Masons Corporation
#6 - 2014-01-16 14:41:13 UTC
Secret Squirrell wrote:
At only 10m to invest in your ponzi scheme, I would seriously consider it, but 10% interest is pretty poor. Can you do any better?


Yep, I will honour the first 10 at 12% :))

I Was There wrote:
I guess you gave us the name of your alt, which already built up some sort of trust. Too bad you're throwing it away on such an awful scan-attempt. When would an unlimited bond ever be legit?


Again, not interested in scamming. There is more ISK to be made in legitimate business.
virm pasuul
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2014-01-16 15:04:24 UTC
If you're going to try a ponzi could you not put a litte effort in to it?
You have to sell a ponzi properly to get the big bucks in.
"I'm running a ponzi, please give me your ISK" just doesn't cut the mustard anymore.
Go do some reasearch, sell, entertain, enchant us with your vision, give us the big inspiring speeches, the drama, tickle our greedybones, give us a splendid spectacular roller coaster, and at the end you get to run off into the sunset cackling wildly leaving a trail of ISK overflowing from your bulging pockets.

Part of being scammed is the story - all the great scammers leave a big narrative behind to inspire future generations - Trying to skip all the hard work is just trying to cheat us of our side of the scam.

Must try harder next time...... D-
RAW23
#8 - 2014-01-16 15:33:05 UTC
If this is legit you have done an amazing job of making it look identical to dozens of previous scams. A lot of it comes from the lack of information and the presence of too much oily slickness.

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.

Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#9 - 2014-01-16 15:37:01 UTC
Weak, very weak.

Zachary Flint wrote:
No, scamming is chump change. There's more money in legitimate enterprise than there is in scamming.

There is plenty of money in both, but only if you succeed.
virm pasuul
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2014-01-16 15:46:14 UTC
This one will be lucky to steal a 10 mill convincer or two considering how little effort he's putting in.
Make you look foolish as a thief when the best you can manage is pocket change that no-one cares about anyway.
The big bucks is where the notoriety is at but that takes effort, skill, and imagination.
Billy Hix
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#11 - 2014-01-16 16:08:52 UTC
virm pasuul wrote:

"I'm running a ponzi, please give me your ISK" just doesn't cut the mustard anymore.


Thats not true. there was a guy running a Ponzi scheme here a few weeks ago. I think the title said it was a Ponzi scheme. He said a few times and very clearly he was going to scam the investors. The only question was when. I bought in early, cashed out and got my interest. I don't know if he has closed the trap yet, but quite a lot of people were investing.
Zachary Flint
The Free Masons Corporation
#12 - 2014-01-16 18:42:44 UTC
RAW23 wrote:
If this is legit you have done an amazing job of making it look identical to dozens of previous scams. A lot of it comes from the lack of information and the presence of too much oily slickness.


If you do wish to have more information, you may have it. Since March of last year I've been regional trading with good returns. Over the year I've managed to plex 6 characters to Tycoon V, Broker Relations V, and Accounting V, and now operate using my own SQL server to run market calculations to determine the most efficient items to buy and sell across six regions (my operation is therefore not dependent on third-party market tools). All courier jobs are contracted out and fully collateralized. I also engage in PI and will occasionally babysit my Hulk toon which I got from my brother when he stopped playing the game. Previous investors are I LIKE IT and joffre lannister, who together funded a 1B ISK loan last summer and made a cool 2.5% weekly for a month off me, which they would attest to.

virm pasuul wrote:
If you're going to try a ponzi could you not put a litte effort in to it?
You have to sell a ponzi properly to get the big bucks in.
"I'm running a ponzi, please give me your ISK" just doesn't cut the mustard anymore.
Go do some reasearch, sell, entertain, enchant us with your vision, give us the big inspiring speeches, the drama, tickle our greedybones, give us a splendid spectacular roller coaster, and at the end you get to run off into the sunset cackling wildly leaving a trail of ISK overflowing from your bulging pockets.

Part of being scammed is the story - all the great scammers leave a big narrative behind to inspire future generations - Trying to skip all the hard work is just trying to cheat us of our side of the scam.

Must try harder next time...... D-


Well, I certainly didn't post this expecting banners and whistles heralding a new and innovative approach to MD. I simply wish to improve the market reach of my operations while providing a service to individuals who wish either to put their money to work for them while they are inactive, or for active players who want a guaranteed income. Regarding allegations that this is a ponzi scheme, there is nothing that I can post to prove otherwise. However, I'll simply maintain again that those who desire this service will profit from it.
virm pasuul
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2014-01-16 18:45:55 UTC
Much better effort, well done :)
Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-01-17 17:42:38 UTC
I didn't read your whole offer and will try to print it.
I might have the time to read it later on today.


I don't know if it would work and I can't join your mailing list from the EVE Gate.

I can't login to the EVE client and won't be able to until past February.

I am also loosing on skill queue training and updating.

So, instead of loosing everything, I could invest and get some dividend or profit.


Which guarantees are available to prevent you from running away with my investment for free?

What plans are in place in the event that the deal goes bad?

What about if I don't get my capital back?
Zachary Flint
The Free Masons Corporation
#15 - 2014-01-17 18:44:45 UTC
Oiras Isimazu wrote:
I didn't read your whole offer and will try to print it.
I might have the time to read it later on today.


I don't know if it would work and I can't join your mailing list from the EVE Gate.

I can't login to the EVE client and won't be able to until past February.

I am also loosing on skill queue training and updating.

So, instead of loosing everything, I could invest and get some dividend or profit.


Which guarantees are available to prevent you from running away with my investment for free?

What plans are in place in the event that the deal goes bad?

What about if I don't get my capital back?


I do not believe there is a way to send money without the EVE Client. Regarding your concerns that I'd run away with your money, I believe in the main thread and replies above I've done a good job explaining my operations and why my enterprise is a trustworthy investment. As above, I have some previous loaning history as well.
Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-01-17 19:34:24 UTC
Zachary Flint wrote:

I do not believe there is a way to send money without the EVE Client. Regarding your concerns that I'd run away with your money, I believe in the main thread and replies above I've done a good job explaining my operations and why my enterprise is a trustworthy investment. As above, I have some previous loaning history as well.

Oh, that I know that I have to use the EVE client to send money.

I am wondering because I invested money before and never got a return from it.

The receiver just defaulted on his part of the deal of course.

I will try to read it tonight as I did print it.

I am now busy updating loan request and offer.
(Even though I am quite aware it can be a total waste of my time.)
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-01-19 02:08:48 UTC
Give me one good reason why should I give my money to you at 10% profit, instead of giving it to the good citizens of Jita and doubling it?
virm pasuul
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2014-01-19 14:34:06 UTC
Is it at all suspicious that the one fishy nibbling at the bait is also trying to run his own scam at the same freaking time??
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=313449&find=unread

The little fishy both needs investment himself AND is considering investing in this low effort scam.
This is concentrated fail, essence of fail.

Zachary Flint
The Free Masons Corporation
#19 - 2014-01-20 00:35:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Zachary Flint
virm pasuul wrote:
Is it at all suspicious that the one fishy nibbling at the bait is also trying to run his own scam at the same freaking time??
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=313449&find=unread

The little fishy both needs investment himself AND is considering investing in this low effort scam.
This is concentrated fail, essence of fail.



Not sure about that either. When EVE Mogul is back up I will provide a Report link as evidence that I am an active trader.

Edit: Here it is. Keep in mind it just migrated to a new system so there is no longer-term data. Also does not account for all my enterprises.
Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-01-20 18:32:27 UTC
Zachary Flint wrote:
Oiras Isimazu wrote:
...
What about if I don't get my capital back?


I do not believe there is a way to send money without the EVE Client. ... As above, I have some previous loaning history as well.

The :
In the event that I take longer than 1 day after the maturity date, I will honour the bond at 12% interest as soon as possible.
clause explains what would happen if I don't get my capital back in time.
Or what should happen.
Unless it is more than 12% by some other twist of fate.

virm pasuul wrote:
Is it at all suspicious that the one fishy nibbling at the bait is also trying to run his own scam at the same freaking time??
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=313449&find=unread

The little fishy both needs investment himself AND is considering investing in this low effort scam.
This is concentrated fail, essence of fail.


Thanks for the background check, verification, evaluation, potential correlation for association, etc...
However, me and the other OP are in no way related unless that I am not even aware about it yet.
I'll just leave it at that for now.

I'm still planning to invest capital into piracy to help me recuperate lost collateral to other pirate related activities.

Those plans are not materializing anywhere soon and if they do I'd probably post it in the relevant forum channel.

In other words, I'm still short of about over a 6b margin to over 10b potential profit.

fishy definitions:
1. Informal Inspiring doubt or suspicion:
2. of, involving, or suggestive of fish

fish
A person, especially one considered deficient in something: a poor fish.
fish in troubled waters
To try to take advantage of a confused situation.
fish or cut bait Informal
To proceed with an activity or abandon it altogether.

(someone fooled into false beliefs, or, taken advantaged of, often to its detriment...)


I got 4 offers over the weekend after my last post by the way.
I could not reply before.
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