Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Why is this a problem?

You argue that it benefits the those who don't undock or don't log in the most. Yet, skill learning takes place whether you are logged in, in space, docked, or logged off. You might as well argue that combat implants benefit those who PvP, are ingame, and undock more than those who are logged off. Learning implants benefit you even when you are undocked, in space, and logged in. In fact, learning implants benefit the character more than any other type unless your character is not training a skill.

There are jump clones that you can move to and from and have different implants. You can jump to a clone that has no implants or cheap/dedicated ones for PvP. Wormholes are not an issue with Learning implants: CCPs limitation of jumpclones in that space is the issue.

It would be better for CCP to remove the artificial limitation keeping players from Jump-cloning in wormholes (or, for that matter, moon-mining) and honor the 'sand-box' nature people associate with the game.

Removing learning implants would remove choices that players make.
Removing learning implants would benefit long term players more than short term.
People did not train learning skills because they ignorant of them. And while there are people who do not plug in learning implants because of ignorance, they also tend to be ignorant of combat and industry implants. In that sense, it is ignorance, not learning implants that are at issue.
There are, in fact, more downsides to removing them than leaving them in.

Perhaps it would be better to instead equalize everyone in learning by boosting all attribute stats by +5 and THEN remove all learning bonuses from the game. This way, any and all controversy is satisfied and everyone: PvPers and non-PvPers benefit equally.

A more simple solution would be to amend the skill (can't remember which one) that shortens the time between clon jumps so that it makes a real difference i.e. 3 hrs knocked of the jump cooldown per level. That way a player could hop into their jump clone for combat and then back to the main relatively soon to keep skills training.

I'm not in favour of changing the implants as they give the player choice. The solution in this case (to my mind) is to give players a little more/better choice to account for those odd days where you just want to go roam around (or mine, or build starships etc etc)

Bad idea -1.


Removing choices is always bad.

What's the next logical progression from this idea?

Why not just give all players all of the skills at 5 as soon as they start playing the game? That way the don't have to wait for anything.

While you're at it, why not just remove ISK from the game as well, and let all players just spawn whatever ships and modules they want?



Anyone can see that both those things are bad ideas. Sure they benefit newer players, but they do not encourage player retention, which is what the MMO model of games are really about.

Being a newer pilot, I cannot support this unless the "base attributes" are +5.

Vets already have an SP advantage; this would make it worse.

I agree. When I was doing PvP, I set up a jump clone for my implants. I ended up having days where I just wouldn't play Eve because I didn't want to lose my learning skills.

With other implants, they are useless if you aren't out in Eve doing things. Learning implants are a rare mechanic that pushes players to not play the game.

I support the removal of all attributes and their removal from implants. They are entirely counter-productive to fun.

Another thing to consider is that implants are an isk sink. It takes money directly out of the economy. One could argue that those who sit in stations aren't draining risk as fast as someone who gets podded with expensive implants, but I am whole heartedly against anything that removes isk sinks. The economy is tightly tied to game mechanics, this is why they have economists on staff.

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Interesting and well written OP.
Others have commented that the Learning Implants have no more relevance than Learning Skills, Complexity for it's own sake.
I would not like to see implants disappear though, If anything I would like to see more, But hardwirings and slave type sets that can occupy more slots. There is too limited an option for fitting, too many choices for a limited number of places and more all the time , however use those 5 freed up slots too and let hardwirings go in ANY slot... and well so many choices!

Either way OP has a good idea +1

+1 for a change that would promote more activity, but please at least add +5 to the base skill points. No one wants to lose a Bil isk in implants which only pays off after a year of not losing the clone.