Ships & Modules

First of all, OP, you don't need dreadnought if you ask such questions. Stick to someone smaller. And Phoenix is very terrible, true.

Secondly, this is EVE, not WoW, you don't need to stick to your original race. Just cross-train and enjoy fun ships.

If you are in your Phoenix and you get dropped on; the enemy will likely kill the other more dangerous dreads first. This gives you time to escape!

The best* way of doing this is to fit a MWD, overload it and hit siege when travelling at 200 m/s. You're be unwebbable during siege and the extra mass will let you barge puny subcaps out of the way. When you exit siege you'll be outside the bubbles and can warp off and switch to a useful dread, like a Moros or Naglfar.





*silliest

Honestly when it comes down to it you can fly whatever the hell you want. Just expect to be laughed at every time you undock it.


Against structures they are amazing.

Against anything that goes faster then 100m/s your doing no damage.

So in theory if your shooting a carrier not in triage and its triple webbed scrammed and target painted to **** you might actually hit it with 2-3 volleys before the real dreads blap it off the field.


They are being looked at though so it could get better.


This is how i would fit it

[Phoenix]

[High Slots]
Siege Module II
Citadel Torpedo Launcher I - Guristas Scourge Citadel Torpedo
Citadel Torpedo Launcher I - Guristas Scourge Citadel Torpedo
Citadel Torpedo Launcher I - Guristas Scourge Citadel Torpedo

[Med Slots]
Capital Shield Booster I
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II - Navy Cap Booster 800

[Low Slots]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Damage Control II

[Rigs]
Capital Core Defense Field Extender I
Capital Core Defense Field Extender I
Capital Capacitor Control Circuit I


Implants
CA-1
CA-2
EE-603
SM-703
EM-803
TN-903
RL-1003

3% hardwirings are cheap. You need faction bcs 1 for the damage increase and 2 for the cpu. This setup is an injector dread. hence the cap booster. Ideally you use 2 cap boosters

FTFY.

As others have told you, the Phoenix is a terrible ship in the current meta. Until it rises again from the ashes, it will not be worth training.

The Pheonix is **** not so much because of its hull but because of its weapon systems.

Citadel torps and cruise missiles are garbage and a Titan can speed tank the damage.

If you really wanted to poke a stick in CCP's eye you could go so far as to say that missile mechanics in Eve are pretty much screwed to begin with. They nerfed HML's to better match long range turrets, then they buffed long range turrets, now HML's suck and nobody wants to use them.

Anyway.

Citadel launchers are basically hurling missiles and torpedos that are approximately the same size as a Saturn V rocket. The same thing used to put men on the moon. Looking at the raw data used in the game to calculate how these things do damage, something that big carrying a 100 ton warhead that makes pitiful explosions. If you go by CCP math, the fuel in the rocket has more explosive potential than the warheads the morons are putting into Citadel missile and torps. Simply getting hit by the mass of the hull of the missile has more destructive potential than the explosions they are producing.

Never mind the fact that detonations occur at greater than the speed of sound, and in outer space, there is no air resistance to hold the expansion back, so explosion speeds in vacuum would likely exceed the speed of detonation in an atmosphere. So the premise behind explosion velocities in Eve are bogus to begin with.

If one were to apply the maxim... Eve is Real... then the Pheonix and capital missile launchers would be a hilariously destructive device spreading massive amounts of AoE mayhem. Only they're not. So one would be safe to assume that in the universe of New Eden, we don't travel about in the vacuum of space, but something more akin to corn syrup or KY jelly.

I wouldn't count on CCP fixing capital missiles any time soon. When they did the miniature dread rebalance, fixing the Naglfar, the left the phoenix broken. Even if they fix the problem with being unable to damage moving anything, you are still going to run into the classic problem with missile systems, delayed application of damage. Every time you start shooting a new target, you loose dps relative to a turret based setup, as your inflight shots are no longer valuable, and your damage on the new target wont start till your shots arrive. At the major coalition level, the meta seems to be shifting towards alphaing caps off the field, rather then trying to break reps, which the pheonix is always going to be terrible at; by the time your damage starts applying, the target will either be dead, or have caught reps.

All that said, very few people outside the major coalitions use dreads for anything but shooting structures, and that your phoenix will be ok for.

Burst tank is almost twice of other, so it don't need to run often as other dread.

but consider that you state 6 cap in mid, so I assume that shield tank ability on Phoenix get gimped as well.

pretty hard for me to keep to justify why I should keep to train up skills for Phoenix.

Maybe should switch to Widow since they use same jump skills.

The Pheonix is the joke of null.