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If mining used the same system as Pi

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Digital Messiah
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-01-17 04:45:36 UTC
Would it destroy eve? Would the change from botters to Asteroid interaction make for a better eve? How do you think this would change EVE.

After playing this game for almost 8 years I feel we are in dire need to rework a highly exploited and semi afk game play that gains the least reward of any other activity for play time.

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Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-01-17 04:51:01 UTC
Digital Messiah wrote:
Would it destroy eve? Would the change from botters to Asteroid interaction make for a better eve? How do you think this would change EVE.

After playing this game for almost 8 years I feel we are in dire need to rework a highly exploited and semi afk game play that gains the least reward of any other activity for play time.


Mining is mind numbingly and blood shooting from the eyes boring. People do other things while mining, watch a movie, chat with friends on eve, run another account, etc.
Kryptik Kai
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#3 - 2014-01-17 04:51:13 UTC
Give it a mini game like hacking and ore spew! Twisted

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Felicity Love
Doomheim
#4 - 2014-01-17 06:17:56 UTC
... ice anoms should be nerfed, too.

No reason why isotopes, ozone, heavy water, etc., can't be relocated to ice, storm, plasma, gas and ocean planets.... and then bring in "ring mining" as originally hoped to give barges something else to do other than asteroids.

Or maybe I'll win the lottery.

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Job Valador
Professional Amateurs
#5 - 2014-01-17 06:30:47 UTC
Turn mining barges into deployables. I am sure nothing would go wrong Cool

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#6 - 2014-01-17 07:01:15 UTC
Given PI is a terrible interface and in dire need of updating (A nice high/med/low slot system per 'district' to feel like it matches what goes on with a Dust map/district and their socket system for designing the maps would be great) lets not apply it onto other systems as well.
Dave Stark
#7 - 2014-01-17 08:37:09 UTC
considering the PI interface is borderline abhorrent, i don't think this idea would work out all that well.
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#8 - 2014-01-17 09:35:32 UTC
Kryptik Kai wrote:
Give it a mini game like hacking and ore spew! Twisted


You're the sadistic type aren't you ? Lol

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Victor Andall
#9 - 2014-01-17 10:21:53 UTC
I'm not a miner, but here's my 0.02 ISK: if mining doesn't have any sort of risk attached, (ganking, can-flipping), or require you to be actively being there, doing something, not being safely tucked away inside your quarters with an unopenable door, then expect everyone to do it passively. If everyone is doing it, the market crashes.

This is my oversimplified analysis.

I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?

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Bi-Mi Lansatha
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-01-17 10:27:51 UTC
Digital Messiah wrote:
...If mining used the same system as Pi...
Why do you hate Miners so much! Blink
Random Woman
Very Professional Corporation
#11 - 2014-01-17 10:55:21 UTC
Digital Messiah wrote:
Would it destroy eve? Would the change from botters to Asteroid interaction make for a better eve? How do you think this would change EVE.

After playing this game for almost 8 years I feel we are in dire need to rework a highly exploited and semi afk game play that gains the least reward of any other activity for play time.



Well but not the way they designed PI. PI is a ******** clickfest. I have a lot PI chars, and for most of em i havent even bothered setting up the planets, for the rest i was not using PI for a very long time. Because PI is as much fun as eating glass.
corporal hicks
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-01-17 11:42:49 UTC
Maybe its me but I enjoy mining with friends, have a good chat on voice and see what your teamwork effort is gaining when your filling up freighters. Mining solo i'll agree is boring and multi-boxers can be put in the same boring bracket, mining with 12 accounts is still mining solo from a player point of view.

but making mining something like PI that you check on twice a day would just crash the market, so much passive income flooding the market would either crash it or to make the risk v reward balanced the yeilds would need to be alot lower and would drive the prices of minerals to crazy heights and therefore everything else along with it.

Can you imagine the price of trit if a 30 min extraction cycle on a resource extractor only pullied out 3000 scordite!
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#13 - 2014-01-17 13:26:23 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:

give barges something else to do other than asteroids.


Barges can do other stuff. Bait and tackle comes to mind. Ever thought about the lock time on a mining barge?
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#14 - 2014-01-17 14:17:09 UTC
Digital Messiah wrote:

After playing this game for almost 8 years I feel we are in dire need to rework a highly exploited and semi afk game play that gains the least reward of any other activity for play time.


My fuel block production just from a minimal amount of Ice Mining highly disagrees.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#15 - 2014-01-17 14:18:35 UTC
Victor Andall wrote:
I. If everyone is doing it, the market crashes.

This is my oversimplified analysis.


No kidding. Show us all these market crashes the past 10 years............

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Victor Andall
#16 - 2014-01-17 14:21:45 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Victor Andall wrote:
I. If everyone is doing it, the market crashes.

This is my oversimplified analysis.


No kidding. Show us all these market crashes the past 10 years............


You're implying that everyone is mining and doing so passively. I might be misinformed on this topic but it wasn't my impression.

I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#17 - 2014-01-17 14:29:38 UTC
Victor Andall wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Victor Andall wrote:
I. If everyone is doing it, the market crashes.

This is my oversimplified analysis.


No kidding. Show us all these market crashes the past 10 years............


You're implying that everyone is mining and doing so passively. I might be misinformed on this topic but it wasn't my impression.


Your statement makes absolutely no sense.

YOU implied that everyone is passively mining in YOUR post.

Jesus.

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Etria Issen
Imperial Varista
#18 - 2014-01-17 15:01:29 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Victor Andall wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Victor Andall wrote:
I. If everyone is doing it, the market crashes.

This is my oversimplified analysis.


No kidding. Show us all these market crashes the past 10 years............


You're implying that everyone is mining and doing so passively. I might be misinformed on this topic but it wasn't my impression.


Your statement makes absolutely no sense.

YOU implied that everyone is passively mining in YOUR post.

Jesus.


Because in the hypthetical scenario where mining was like PI, and thus anyone with the skill could do it passively, that everyone would be doing it. Most people don't do mining now as it's active, and by active we still mean "about as fun as watching paint dry. But it's paint drying that you can do nothing but watch."
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#19 - 2014-01-17 15:12:20 UTC
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Digital Messiah wrote:
Would it destroy eve? Would the change from botters to Asteroid interaction make for a better eve? How do you think this would change EVE.

After playing this game for almost 8 years I feel we are in dire need to rework a highly exploited and semi afk game play that gains the least reward of any other activity for play time.


Mining is mind numbingly and blood shooting from the eyes boring. People do other things while mining, watch a movie, chat with friends on eve, run another account, etc.



And the market is balanced around this. There are enough ISBoxed fleets of retrievers and semi-afkers to supply the needs of the economy. Therefore, mining is fine.

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Radiation Sickness
#20 - 2014-01-17 15:24:32 UTC
Ive replied to similar posts before. I think some things are overlooked when people look specifically at mining.

1. Good game design allows not only for different things to do but different play styles including degree of interaction required. PI for instance, set it up come back in a couple days and profit, mining slow and steady game play, pvp bursts of high activity followed by inactivity or low activity (loot grab, ship repair, travel to next pvp conflict). We need all these different 'tempos' as I like to call them so that all types of players can find a niche for themselves in our big crazy space game.

2. I think we all understand that different 'risk' levels are important in EVE and mining, especially in high sec is one of the lowest risk activities you can do.

3. Easy of start up is another plus for mining, perhaps as you start to become the Ol' Veteran you forget how confusing many of EVEs game playing options where when you first started and how mining presented itself as an easy to understand beginner profession.

4. If you find mining boring the solution is obvious find a new profession EVE has a lot of them.

Yawn,  I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.

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