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What SoniClover said was that each bounty payout has a chance of triggering a tick. Yay for more chance based mechanics in New Eden. I did a run at the maths, and presumed that a pair of Ishtar's grouped together for ratting. Speculating on what was stated, that it could take a single player an hour or more, but several players could knock it up in 1/2 an hour, I gave each tick a 1% bonus, and ran that forward. It will take 3 HOURS of uninterrupted ratting, according to the new mechanics, to reach break even with where we are at today. It will take another 5 HOURS of uninterrupted ratting for the Ishtar pair (presuming each pulls 20mil/isk/tick) to PAY for the upgrade with the 'bonus isk' generated by this device.

Let us suppose that we have a system that can support 4 ishtars. That's really pushing most single systems, but lets go with it. We will let each tick give +2% and see what happens...Its only about an HOUR and a HALF of uninterrupted ratting, with a total of 4 HOURS to pay for the 'upgrade'. None of these considerations take into account the cost/logistics of getting the upgrade into nullsec to begin with.

If you have to clear the cache anytime during ramp up and reset, then the nightmare starts all over again. Even if the ESS lasts long enough to pay for itself without getting blapped, a couple of people are going to have to agree to work together for 4 HOURS every time they opt for PVE to see a 3mil/isk/hr 'bonus'. This is nuts. Its rubbish.



3) Demand it not be implemented until its fixed, applying the suggestions that will improve it AND get full value for the money that has been already spent on it.

Its a trainwreck and when its suggested that we all just 'forget' the 5% or when you and others say the 5% isn't part of ESS mechanics, that's just plain wrong. It's built into the lore supporting the thing. Its built into the posted 'logic' supporting why the 5% is even being implemented. CCP believes that there is an isk faucet issue. So, instead of dealing with the isk faucet they created when they fixed the Drone Alloy mineral faucet problem, ALL of 0.0 get to deal with an across the board nerf to ratting income, with an ABSURDLY BAD potential of getting pocket change as a reward.

Lol Drones... I've come across that a few times. Lol Drones...its so bad, the rest of you get to pay for how bad it really is.

I'm not trying to sling mud across New Eden here. I'm really trying to get answers. To be honest, I personally think good conflict drivers are good. I see this one as horribly and fundamentally flawed, and that no one has put enough effort into making it GREAT.

Nerf everyone in a Place that is already having issues With population. Now we are heading somewhere!

This is a huge issue because the damn PvE content in eve is so bad that I honestly can't see how anyone could sit there and do it for 4 hours without wanting to kill themselves.

I'm really hoping that the lack of any more replies from CCP means they're having internal meetings about what to do with the ESS.
Though sorry to say my belief is more on the lines of the CCP I have come to know which is them sticking their heads in the sand and hoping the issue (angry players) goes away. Sorry CCP but that is your normal MO.

Anyone from CCP willing to face the mob and post what the plans for the ESS are, will our feedback be taken seriously and in full or should we just shut up and HTFU before moving our assets to Osmon for SOE L4's?

Well, strictly speaking true, but the implementation and justification is in need of the ESS.
SoniClover didn't say "inflation is a problem, we'll solve it, tough love", he sold it as a boost to nullsec ratting, and then later claimed that inflation was bad and that the nerf was to make sure the module wouldn't make the problem worse.
Which admitted didn't come through in my post.

It's still missing the justification of a 5% nerf (There might be one, the CCP economist might look at the numbers again and say so, but until then it's only CCP SoniClovers Buttom speaking), and it's missing the justification of the ESS other than to make up the 5% nerfed.
It's a circular argument where the easiest thing would be to say "don't implement the ESS".

"Based on your feedback, we have decided not to add broken glass to the excrements we will smear on your face."
- The CCP DEV.s when responding to feedback outside F&I (And sometimes in F&I).

Sadly.

My heart bleeds for you tippia

Seriously though, i think you guys are wasting your time here. CCP are going to do this so the best things you can do is start demanding that they add more PVE content to make it worth living in null.

it will be something like this:



THIS^^ was CCP Rise response in the r/h rapid missile launchers rebalance topic. the fact that after rubicon rapid missile launchers sales went down to 50% of theyr previous number shows probably how good is "... the positive feedback coming from the CSM, from our testing..."

So...

The potential time wasted dealing with this ridiculous deplyoyable involved with deploying the the thing, babysitting it, interacting with it after a session of ratting, arranging how to get the tags sent to high-sec for cashing-in....

Might just as well use all that wasted time to shoot a couple of extra red crosses instead and probably make up the 5% lost bounties and then some. Also saving a shitload of hassle at the same time.

This is why this deployable stinks. Even village idiots agree.

Rek, lets put it this way. This idea with it's current numbers has me agreeing with James. This is almost certainly a forum first, given how often I've butted heads with him & Tippia lately on other threads, normally on a null/high side. I've been to Null for a bit, never could make the fleets as they were either 3am my time with work the next day, or mid work for me, terrible time zone I live in for null basically, then failscade coalition and I moved back out. Live in high now, so I'm not without null experience but basically a high seccer.

And even I think this is a terrible implementation. I think the concept has merit enough to make it worth fixing rather than scrapping, but right now? Terrible. When you have functionally High Sec players agreeing with Goons on things?